Something has been bothering me about this ref counting stuff for some time. It just seems like the TclJava ref counting does not work like regular Tcl ref counting, but I could not put my finger on exactly why. I was just looking at the C code, and I noticed that "regular" Tcl ref counts start at 1 while Tcl/Java ref counts start at 0. (from tclBasic.c) cmdPtr = (Command *) ckalloc(sizeof(Command)); Tcl_SetHashValue(hPtr, cmdPtr); cmdPtr->hPtr = hPtr; cmdPtr->nsPtr = nsPtr; cmdPtr->refCount = 1; cmdPtr->cmdEpoch = 0; (from TclObject.java) protected TclObject(TclString rep, String s) { internalRep = rep; stringRep = s; refCount = 0; } Seems like that might be the cause of some big problems. I think this was something that was changed in Tcl sometime after Tcl 8.0. Mo DeJong Red Hat Inc ---------------------------------------------------------------- The TclJava mailing list is sponsored by Scriptics Corporation. To subscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word SUBSCRIBE as the subject. To unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject. To send to the list, send email to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. An archive is available at http://www.mail-archive.com/tcljava@scriptics.com