On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, M Charles Swope wrote:

> afix to their windshield? A commuter would buy a
> monthly pass and display the sticker. Driving in an

Let me know when you can find someone who can enforce this as cars fly by
at high speed. :)

The entry cameras, I now remember, are also used successfully in Toronto.

www.407etr.com

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For transponder users, the electronic sensors located on each overhead
gantry log your 407 ETR entry and exit point. On exit, a green light on
the transponder and four short beeps indicate the toll transaction has
been successfully completed.

If you choose not to lease a transponder, your trips are logged by using a
state-of-the-art, licence plate recognition system. The system is located
on each overhead gantry and sends up to 5 video images to a central
processing computer when you enter and exit 407 ETR.
---

I would rather have everybody tolled rather than just those who choose to
want to use the lanes.  Unless your final destination is downtown (20-40k
users, compared to 140-160k users, listed at
www.ajfroggie.com/roads/minnesota/traffic-maps.htm, 1998 numbers. For
some reason the ramp meter studies had no info on 394), the HOV
lanes on i394 are not going to do great business.  The lanes leading onto
I94 East and West get backed up no matter what, and with enough people
using the HOV lanes, there will be less percieved 'sane lane' gains and
people will just give up and go back to the old system, I'm guessing.

Also, noted in:

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/information/hov/pdfs/hov_sec10.pdf

Everyone would need to be charged to use the lanes, and then some sort of
verification each day of carpoolers would be required.  (Minneapolis had
to change their parking policies because of the supposed amount of people
'beating the system' by not actually carpooling.) This is under the idea
of an electronic transponder system.  More hassles for HOV vehicles is
*going* to be counterproductive.  People keep on claiming carpooling is
more growth than busses these days (you wouldn't think that up here at
Foley park & ride, tho :P) and providing more hurdles for this class of
cars isn't going to help.  People might just carpool to busses on the i394
corridor, where there *isn't* any space for their cars.  Many park and
ride locations are *full* in those areas.  I used to park at Louisiana
park and ride every day, it was insane some of the illegal parking people
did.  I heard on the bus that the same insanity can happen over at
Ridgedale park and ride too in Plymouth.  Perhaps before this is
instituted or while it is, put a larger park and ride location near
ridgedale like the Foley location so these carpoolers can park someplace
without having to wait on the way in/out to be 'verified' that they are a
carpool.  Does anyone have any good i394 stats on carpools?

I guess, at worst, it depends on what sort of moral inequity you can
stomach from user fees and less services for those who don't make enough
money.  In the end, does asking for more money for specific lanes reduce
congestion, or just allow more people to feel more mobile while possibly
increasing some users congestion?

But decals, yeah, right!  Thats going to be abused more and enforced less
than a proof of payment transit system.  The fake decal market will be
booming!

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Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.ringworld.org/

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