On 11/18/2014 4:36 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 04:02:32PM -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 3:51 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 03:10:58PM -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>> I'm speaking of the private interface. Yes, it could be
>>>> implementation-specific, but if you are intending to define a complete
>>>> spec for using SSL over raw TCP segments you first have to explain what
>>>> you expect from raw TCP segments.
>>>
>>> This sub-thread is about your "However, there's should never be "early
>>> read"." comment.  I agreed that "early read", whether through public
>>> interfaces or private ones, creates DoS considerations.  Therefore we're
>>> not really disagreeing, right?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> But I'm making another point - "early read" is a property of the TCP
>> application interface.
> 
> And I'm saying that for this particular protocol (TLS in TCP) the
> early data is best handled by the system, with a system interface, not
> an application interface.

I think we're agreeing, but my concern is how much the early data
handling by the system needs to be spec'd out, not just left to the
implementation.

Joe

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