As FYI, our Wikimedia Team Trello account is sunsetting on May 2. If there are folks who want to see it live on, please let me know before that date... :-)
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Max Binder <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for clarifying your visceral fear. :) > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Bryan Davis <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Max Binder <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Davis <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Max Binder <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Someone suggested Trello, since it is lightweight and connects with >> >> > automation tools like IFTTT. There is concern about using another >> >> > Phab-like >> >> > tool, that isn't Phab, at the same time as Phab. >> >> >> >> Please, please, please don't bring back use of the Trello zombie. I >> >> also don't understand at all how Trello is more "light weight" than >> >> Phab. >> > >> > Yea, I think some folks simply prefer one tool to another based on >> personal >> > comfort. I don't necessarily have a problem with folks using outside >> tools >> > if it makes them more productive, so long as it doesn't >> > >> > alienate the team >> > alienate the volunteers >> > cause confusion by having multiple sources of truth (especially across >> > tools) >> > >> > Ultimately, the problem I initially posed is probably best solved by >> > personal accountability. If you like post-its on your wall, great. >> Notepad >> > you can cross out? Sure! Trello board for personal tasks? Have at it. >> The >> > issue that remains, however, is other folks seeing those to-dos... >> >> For personal todo lists I agree that people should use whatever works >> for them. My (probably uncalled for) anti-Trello outburst was based on >> the assumption that you were looking for a standard tool and workflow >> for a WMF team or teams. We picked Phabricator to replace Bugzilla at >> least in part on the promise that it was a more flexible tool that >> could replace the ever growing proliferation of task tracking systems >> that the Foundation was acreeting as each team made personal choices >> on how to manage their work. This caused a lot of pain for anyone who >> worked on multiple teams or was just trying to keep track of issues >> that crossed from team to team. >> >> A team using Trello to track retrospective commitments is probably no >> worse than the current state I would expect of them being bullet >> points in a google doc somewhere. My visceral fear is that it would be >> a gateway drug for some teams however to slide back into tracking real >> projects outside of Phabricator. >> >> Bryan >> -- >> Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundation <[email protected]> >> [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software Engineer Boise, ID USA >> irc: bd808 v:415.839.6885 x6855 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> teampractices mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >> > > > _______________________________________________ > teampractices mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices > > -- Sarah R. Rodlund Project Coordinator-Engineering, Wikimedia Foundation [email protected]
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