I skimmed through his #NoEstimates video until I saw burnup charts: https://youtu.be/QVBlnCTu9Ms?t=1616
His argument seems to be (and I'm not watching the whole 40 minutes so I could be going out of context) that you can do projections from burnups and use that instead of estimation. "Now I guess this is estimating but it's not really estimating, all we are doing is counting." It sounds like he's opposed to a particular kind of estimation, in favor of another kind of estimation, and perhaps using a bit of hyperbole as a marketing tool. *-- Joel Aufrecht* Team Practices Group Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joel Aufrecht <jaufre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Interesting. I just finished Steve McConnell's response to #NoEstimates, > 17_Theses_on_Software_Estimation_(Expanded) > <http://www.construx.com/10x_Software_Development/17_Theses_on_Software_Estimation_%28Expanded%29/> > . > > The most essential of those theses might be: > > *5. Estimates serve numerous legitimate, important business purposes.* >> > > I think the #NoEstimates response to that is, estimation doesn't work, so > even if estimates would be nice, estimation doesn't actually provide them. > > McConnell's response is basically, estimation does work if you know what > you're doing and do it right. > > *1. Estimation is often done badly and ineffectively and in an overly >> time-consuming way.* > > > >> *2. The root cause of poor estimation is usually lack of estimation >> skills.*) >> > > And also that Scrum is actually very compatible with estimation, and that > discussions should be pragmatic and not dogmatic: > > *14. Scrum provides better support for estimation than waterfall ever did, >> and there does not have to be a trade off between agility and >> predictability. * > > > >> *16. This is not religion. We need to get more technical and more >> economic about software discussions. * > > > > What did he call his burnup charts (charts that, by the way, support > estimation at a glance)? > > > > > > *-- Joel Aufrecht* > Team Practices Group > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Max Binder <mbin...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> I attended a Meetup last night, via Bay Area Agile Leadership Network. >> >> Don't have Allen's deck, but here is his website with a lot of the same: >> http://holub.com/ >> >> TL;DR: His presentation was about how estimation is bad (among other >> things, he argues that estimating is unethical). I felt it was a fairly >> aggro presentation (full disclosure: I'm pro-estimation), but under the >> veil of what I observed as an extremist view of Agile was a message >> promoting Agile as a state of mind, rather than a >> panacea-by-rigid-structure, all too often deployed by "Agile" companies. >> >> He also showed burnup charts (he didn't call them that) very similar to >> those on phlogiston.wmflabs.org. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> teampractices mailing list >> teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >> >> >
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