Hi all,

I always try to share anything I learn in tech for the benefit of others.  I 
recently had a "negative reinforcement" experience that I'm going to share, in 
hopes that someone else will avoid that particular pothole.  So, you can laugh 
at me (but keep it to yourself), or pity me, but hopefully, this will remind 
people of how not to behave around a pc.

So, I have one computer with multiple graphics cards in it.  Each card has one 
or two of its own fans, and each has one or two of its own power cables from 
the power supply.

I had ordered a new graphics card and was excited to install it.  I shut down 
the machine, turned it to face my chair, and took off the cover.  I went 
through the mechanical procedure of installing the card and connecting the 
power cables.  I power on the machine, and, at this point, everything is 
actually working.  I should have put on the cover and walked away.

With multiple cards jammed in together, you cannot tell if the fans on the 
cards are running.  I've had one other graphics card running a bit hot so I 
wanted to check the fans.  (It turns out that that old card has one failing 
fan.)

I got this brilliant idea to check the fans by inserting a business card 
between the pc cards.  I would let it GENTLY brush up against the fan hub, and 
if I hear a humming noise, then the fan blade is turning.  This actually worked 
a couple of times.  But, I pushed my luck too far.

At one point, the business card got sucked INTO the fan blade.  Now, this fan 
is only 2" wide, but you'd better believe it has some inertia when it's 
spinning.  I heard this loud POP sound and then this continual GRINDING sound.  
Note to self, grinding sounds and pc's don't mix.  I immediately turned off the 
power switch on the power supply, not even trying to properly shut down the 
machine.

I proceeded to remove every card from the chassis and examine each.

On my NEW card, one fan blade is partly cracked at the hub and the blade is 
protruding outside the housing.  I gently bend it back, in hopes that it will 
work well enough.  I proceed to reinstall all the cards and replace the wires.  
Then I power up the machine.

I find that one graphics card is not working.  A quick survey of the setup 
shows that I failed to connect the two auxiliary power cables for that card.  
So, I plug them in, WITH THE SYSTEM POWER ON.

(OK, OK, it was late, brain was not at maximum efficiency.)

I reboot the machine.  Now, every time the OS tries to start, the machine 
reboots again.

(Ron goes into a mild tantrum, considers weeping or screaming or both.)

So, I think to myself, I trashed the boot loader or something when I turned off 
the power.  I go get the Ubuntu boot repair cd and run it.  No help.  I run a 
live cd to recover some critical files and figure I'll just restore from a 
backup.  Can't see the hard drive.  I run a memory test, which is fine.

I'm thinking, WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING?

Then it hits me, maybe it's not a bad hdd, maybe it's a bad card.  I have never 
ever had this happen, which is why it never occurred to me.  I remove every 
card from the system, AGAIN, except for 1 to drive the monitor.  TA DA ... the 
system boots fine, like nothing ever happened.

I shut down, and put the cards back in one at a time, and reboot.  When I get 
to one particular card, the boot loop symptoms return.  It's one of my older 
cards, WHICH WAS WORKING THE DAY BEFORE.  I spend another hour carefully 
removing and installing things in different orders to determine if it's the 
card, or the power supply, or the motherboard slot.

When this is all said and done, I've determined that one of my older cards is 
damaged and I have to RMA it.  Whether that was due to the new card's fan blade 
grinding on the 2nd card's pc board, or whether it was due to me connecting the 
power to the 2nd card when the system was on, or something else, I don't know.  
But, now it's in a box waiting to be shipped to the factory.

When this fiasco was done, I had a pc which was functioning at a lower level 
than it was, has a new card with a partially cracked fan blade, and one card is 
being returned to the factory.

And, it's 3 AM so I haven't gotten and didn 't get much sleep.

AARG!

So, dear readers, you may take some valuable lessons from my sad experience.

1) DON'T BE STUPID.  If you're brain is not really sharp at a given time, don't 
work on a pc.
2) DON'T TOUCH A FAN BLADE on a pc fan that's running, even a little one, WITH 
ANYTHING, even a piece of paper.
3) Always CONNECT POWER CABLES WITH THE SYSTEM OFF.

Also, note that the spacing between the top part of the adjacent cards is 
variable depending on how you fasten the retaining screws.  Once the cards are 
fastened, with the power off, make sure you can, at least, slide a business 
card back and forth between each pair of cards and that there are no 
protrusions from one card that will hit the next.

Hopefully, you will learn, or relearn, from my experience.  Trust me, you don't 
want to repeat it.

8-(

Sincerely,

Ron



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(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new email messages very quickly.)

Ron Frazier
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linuxdude AT techstarship.com

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