Hi Keith,

That's interesting info.  I was theorizing that they'd have to string about 100 
leds in series to drop the 169 V p (or is it pp) that comes from the wall 
outlet without burning out the bulbs.  I don't know how they wire them though.

Ron



"Watson, Keith" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm one of those people who can also see the LED Christmas lights
>flickering. I was trained as a lookout in the Navy and spent a fair
>amount of time searching for targets in very dark conditions which
>requires extensive use of your peripheral vision. I'm also a juggler
>(used to juggle professionally) and this also trains you to use your
>peripheral vision.
>
>Color receptors (cones) in your eye are mostly located in the center of
>your visual field and need a lot of light to distinguish color. Rods
>are more sensitive to shades of brightness rather than color and are
>more numerous in your periphery. This is why you can see an object at
>night in your periphery but it disappears when you look directly at it.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye#Rods_and_cones
>
>You can test this yourself by looking directly at an LED Christmas
>light and then looking away. As the LED moves from the center of your
>vision to the periphery the LED will flicker for a brief instant.
>
>Incandescent lights also flicker at 60Hz but due to the thermal mass of
>the filament it does a better job of integrating the light intensity so
>the flickering is not as obvious. I can very rarely catch an
>incandescent bulb flickering.
>
>LEDs don't emit light by heating up like an incandescent so they
>actually turn completely on and off at 60Hz (assuming they are being
>driven by an AC voltage).
>
>LEDs have a safe operating envelope that is a combination of peak
>current and average temperature. LED brightness is directly
>proportional to the current. If you run the LED continuously at its
>peak current rating at room temperature it will overheat and burn out.
>To get the most light and stay within the max temperature rating you
>can pulse the LED on and off at its peak current and adjust the duty
>cycle to stay within the max temperature at the maximum ambient
>temperature you want it to run at, this is typically how LED dimmers
>work. You also have to pick a frequency that is high enough that the
>human eye will not detect the flicker. Most people can't see 60Hz
>flicker but enough can that monitors started supporting 72Hz as a
>refresh rate.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate
>
>If the LED lights are using 60Hz as the frequency for turning the LED
>on and off there are going to be people who will see the flicker.
>
>Despite the flickering I prefer the LED lights because they run at a
>lower temperature and use less power. Depending on how the LED light
>string is wired (series versus parallel) the entire string won't die
>when LEDs stop working. I spent well over an hour going through an
>incandescent Christmas light string that didn't work, testing and
>replacing burned out bulbs. When I was done I plugged it in and it
>stayed lit for all of two seconds. To fix it I would have to retest
>every bulb again. Needless to say the light string ended up in the
>trash.
>
>I'm hoping the LED Christmas lights don't suffer the same rate of burn
>out and a single, or multiple bulb, failure won't result in a dead
>string. I haven't owned a set long enough yet so the jury is still out.
>
>keith
>
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