On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 04:37:23PM +0200, Florent Daigni?re (NextGen$) wrote:
> * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2006-07-11 13:34:54]:
> 
> > I think that the reason we don't *keep* nodes at present is not the
> > difficulty of getting peers (although that may cause a lot of peers to
> > not join the network in the first place), it's that after going through
> > the rituals of adding a few nodes, the network has very little content,
> > and the newbies uninstall Freenet. The reason it has little content is
> > not primarily because it is small, it is primarily that inserts are very
> > slow. Inserts are very slow for various reasons:
> > 1. Load balancing.
> > 2. Bugs.
> > 3. Inserts don't resume on restart.
> > 4. Large freesites have issues. (Containers are limited to 2MB).
> > 5. Survivability.
> > 
> > Nextgens is very keen on #3. He has convinced me, although it's only
> > really an issue for largish files. There are a few minor things I need
> > to do first on load balancing for example, but it's well up the priority
> > list. #5 will be addressed by the new storage system, although we are
> > reasonably good on #5 anyway. Fixing #1 properly requires completion of
> > mrogers' load simulations. #2 is an ongoing issue. #4 is a big deal for
> > freesites, but not for sharing of single files; but we all know that
> > freesites are important.
> 
> I'm not sure that people are willing to insert more than 2M of
> compressed manifest ;)

I've heard people on #freenet talking about inserting big sites.

> Yes, I do think that support of insert resuming will please more users.

More than opennet???
> 
> > The other reason why people don't stay is that it's too much hassle to
> > update your node when there has been a mandatory build and you managed
> > to miss it. Their node doesn't offer them the option to update, and they
> > don't know how to update manually, so they just let it go. The solution
> > to this is update-over-mandatory support, or to not have mandatory
> > builds, or to include support for downloading a new update from emu in
> > the node. I believe we need mandatory builds to debug load balancing,
> > if for no other reason. Downloading a new update from emu is possible,
> > with sufficient warnings; of course it would put load on the mirrors,
> > and of course emu can be spoofed or cracked.
> 
> imho that's not an option: you're missing something : the node might not
> be allowed to proceed http transferts... it wouldn't work for people
> behind a proxy for instance ... and dealing with proxy probably means
> dealing with authenticated proxies ... and so on.
> 
> Update-over-mandatory is smarter in terms of design and probably simpler
> ;) so update from emu using http is "not an option" :p

I doubt that it's simpler, but it is better.
> 
> NextGen$
-- 
Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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