On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:36:41PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think the most exciting opportunity here is to allow a node to > reconnect to other nodes that may be behind firewalls provided that > at least one of the node's peers is not behind a firewall, by relying > on address resolution keys (or whatever we want to call them).
Agreed, but do we want to wait for the SoC to do that? Admittedly it's some way down my TODO list, but it is definitely queued. > > Ian. > > On 3 May 2006, at 13:11, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > >I agree... ARK servers would be a single point of failure. > > > >However, we do still have the various problems with NATs and > >dynamic IP > >addresses. With ARKs, if we get one connection we can then find out > >what > >the new addresses of our peers are, and tell them our new IP. With > >STUN, > >we can determine our IP address by relying on a centralized (but > >standard, and widely used) service; with UP&P, on the rare occasions > >where it works, we can determine our IP address from that, *and* > >forward > >the port. > > > >The other proposal is rendezvous plugins. We could for example have a > >Jabber address for a node. This would only be used to send a > >rendezvous > >message to in order to exchange IP addresses. Obviously this is > >centralized, though other rendezvous plugins might not be. (e.g. the > >DNS technique published in Phrack last year). > > > >On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:09:21PM +0200, freenetwork at web.de wrote: > >>>>Dave Baker wrote: > >>>>>Also, wouldn't connecting to a known ARK server give away the > >>>>>fact that you > >>>>>were running Freenet? > >>>> > >>>>Agreed - like I said, the ARK server (or someone eavesdropping > >>>>on it) > >>>>would be able to harvest addresses. But I'm not suggesting a single > >>>>central server - there could be any number of servers, each > >>>>trusted by a > >>>>few individuals to the extent that they don't mind the server > >>>>knowing > >>>>that they're running Freenet, but either they don't trust the > >>>>server > >>>>quite enough to make it a darknet peer, or the server doesn't have > >>>>enough bandwidth to make them all peers. > >>>> > >>>>The suggestion was motivated by the fact that static IP > >>>>addresses are > >>>>increasingly rare - if you're lucky enough to have one, you > >>>>could serve > >>>>the network by helping dynamically addressed peers to find one > >>>>another. > >>>> > >>>>Cheers, > >>>>Michael > >>> > >>>I don't like the idea, it's way too centralised, it's better to do > >>>everything in a non-centralised way and if needed rely on services > >>>widely used by joe average so they can't be shut down just like > >>>that, > >>>they'd still have the monitoring problem but it's better than > >>>creating > >>>our own central servers. > >> > >>Huh? ARK-Servers?! > >> > >>AFAI can remember, ARKs have never been anything else than date- > >>DBR-SSKs, or in 0.7, probably USKs. What's this "server" talk > >>coming from? > >> > >>*totally confused* > >> > >>What _servers_?! > >> > >>As soon as any "non generic" node is being invented, the > >>freenetproject has died for me. The strength of the whole system > >>comes from the fact that all nodes are the same; no single point > >>of failure: every single node has to be taken down to have the net > >>ceased. > >-- > >Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > >_______________________________________________ > >Tech mailing list > >Tech at freenetproject.org > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFEWSJsQtgxRWSmsqwRAiHjAJ9qNlsaxc2F9ZzR48tXcWcgC8TMgQCeLMQu > 3myfx9vZ2lrFb0/spkhJ+CA= > =GT1Q > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > Tech at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/attachments/20060504/48094fde/attachment.pgp>
