On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, David Lang wrote:

I agree, but I was more asking for thoughts on if this was a good defintiion of "Professional" and if this definition would work any better than the previous definitions we've tries to use for the term "professional" and the follow-up discussions on licensing/certification efforts.

Ah. I apologize for responding to the wrong question.

I think this definition is useful, because it is the first one that I've seen that is able to draw a line between the Sysadmin who is running their personal site or a local club/church site (something that I strongly believe should NOT be regulated/licensed) and someone running a bank (where they may have people working there who aren't licensed, but it would be reaonsble to say that the person in charge if not most of the senior people should be)

I think I understand your desire to provide solid guidance as to when an "amateur" can be given charge of a computing environment and when it should be run only be a "professional."

In the examples you've provided, however, it seems to me that you're talking much more about the job than the person. A hospital job might require HIPAA competencies, a retailer PCI competencies, a major ISP Cisco/Juniper/BGP competencies, and the NSA a willingness to follow the rules and keep your mouth shut.

I'm not sure that a single term like "professional" really captures all that -- mostly because it gives the sense that a computer professional at, say, a Kaiser Hospital would also accepted as a computer professional at Comcast.

In other words, any mention of "professional" would be immediately be followed by the question, "professional what?" Certainly not "professional sysadmin," which is way too broad for any reasonable licensing standards.

None of this is meant to undermine your point that some computing jobs intersect with basic human well-being; it's just that I cannot currently fathom any single term to describe the situation.

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