On 2008-11-10 at 08:29 -0700, Yves Dorfsman wrote: > Currently with ipv4, ISPs typically "give" you x numbers of ip addresses > based on the type of fees you pay. Typically 2 for base/home internet, and > 15 for basic professional internet access, etc...
That's ARIN. Things are different in RIPE areas, where ISPs are forbidden to charge per-IP but may tie routed subnets into a class of product instead. IPs are subject to justification, yada yada. > How does it work for ISPs offereing ipv6 ? How many addresses do they > typically make available for the most basics plans ? IME with RIPE-area ISP practice: the bare minimum is a /64 which, under the "normal" address partitioning used in IPv6 is a single routed subnet containing 2**64 addresses. Think of a /64 as the unit of assignment. A /127 is only used for point-to-point links. While in theory you can divide the subnet boundary area, in practice so many things assume /64 for a single subnet, including various of the automatic address assignment schemes, that you're not going to sensibly get away from a /64 being a single local link network. Next up is: RFC 3177 IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites which basically says "assign a /48 to every customer", giving each customer 2**16 networks. Some ISPs in RIPE-area, in my experience, do this. Others do not. /60 might be reasonable for a home-user. /48 for business users. These are standard assignments and you shouldn't expect to pay more for them. There's a general feeling that a basic plan should still include more than a single /64, opinions vary though. Myself, I think this is because otherwise you're forcing home users onto a flat network and ... well, forcing a flat network on someone might come back to bite you if they claim later that they only did so because you forced them into it. Addresses aren't expensive, lawsuits are, so let them use multiple networks if need be. Within ARIN, there's a declining partial waver on fees for IPv6 addresses: http://www.arin.net/announcements/2007/20071004.html and I have no first-hand knowledge of pricing of IPv6 in ARIN zones, so can't help further there. > Also, one can buy a block directly at ARIN. If a small organisation was to > buy a block from them and tunnel ipv6 over ipv4 while no ISP can offer ipv6 > locally, will that organisation be able to use their own block when an ISP > finally do offer ipv6, or will they have to use the addresses given out by > their ISP ? > > In other words, will any ISP able to route any addresses, or can they only > route what they get ? Moving out of my area of knowledge, but I believe that you can only get routable IPv6 address assignments if you have an AS number, even in ARIN. Not sure. In RIPE, you can only get portable address assignments if you're an LIR, otherwise you get space from the ISP and have to renumber. The same general pressure is that there should be fewer entries in the global routing table for IPv6; whether that's viable or not in reality, I don't know. Note that renumbering in IPv6 is supposedly significantly easier than in IPv4, in part because the route advertisements can include multiple prefices and the nodes should configure themselves up on all networks at the same time, so you can have an orderly migration. In practice, my colo box has static address configuration so I'll need to do things manually, but should still be able to have both old and new addresses at the same time as a supported protocol feature rather than a hack to get multiple networks on the same link. I'll be able to give more feedback sometime early in 2009 after the netwerkvereniging which I'm a member of becomes an LIR and gets its own IPv6 address space and I have to renumber. Yay. Renumbering. My heart overflows with joy at the prospect. Or something. Well, we'll see. > Finally, is anybody familiar with the ARIN fee schedule and waivers > (http://www.arin.net/billing/fee_schedule.html#waivers) ? If somebody was to > get an x-small block in 2008, they will pay 125 USD in 2008, but will they > pay 125 USD, 312.50 USD or 12500 USD in 2009 for the renewal ? Pass. -Phil _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list [email protected] http://lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
