<soapbox>
I don't know your particular case, but please consider the 'life cycle 
cost' of backups.
After being on both sides of this kind of cost cutting scenario, it will 
be hard to beat the
service per $ expended after you fully burden what it really costs to do 
and maintain backups.
Doing the backup is only the start.

Full disclosure: I spent about 20 years doing backups and 
disaster/recovery planning, testing,
and having to recover from disasters.  I am not employed doing that now 
but have in the past.
</soapbox>

The big kids on the block use Legato or NetBackup or Tivoli Storage 
Manager.  That is about
80+% of the 'major systems backup' market.  BackupExec is NetBackups 
little brother.

They all work.  They all take way more time in care and feeding than (I) 
ever expected to have to spend.
Amanda, Backula, BackupPC, Dirvish are all open source products worth 
looking into.

Do not allow multiple backup processes to run overlapping.  It sometimes 
generates file lock conditions
even when they say they don't or 'shouldn't'.  Even if the various 
'dumpdates' or fingerprinting methods
'shouldn't' interfere, they invariably do.  I have had to cancel backups 
way to often due to that.

Even straight 'dump' or 'tar' to tape backup servers interfere with the 
rsync type backups.  I fought that
battle to much too.

If you have the space, you might run 'disk snapshots' and backup the 
snapshot.  This is especially good if
backing up databases (Postgres, MySQL, M$SQL, Oracle, M$Exchange, etc) 
and keeps the database
downtime to a minimum (seconds or minutes, versus hours).  And doing the 
shutdown rather than quiesce
or using an agent allows for a better, and more easily restored, backup.

Also, if you are taking on the backup tasks, you NEED to take on the 
task of testing your backups regularly.
I have found lots of folks (red faced, me too on occasion) that had lots 
of backups, but nothing could be
restored from those backups.

Doing backups is not 'cheap or easy', but it is still less expensive 
than the expenses the data loss would generate.

One time, my bosses didn't want to put another $100K into their backup 
system I was managing.  I told them it
is OK.  But I was wanting them to find out what the insurance policy 
premium would be to cover us all if the backups
did not work so the stock holders could get their value out of the 
company when it went bankrupt due to lost data
if the data had to be restored.  I got the upgrade.  (This was a small 
regional bank, I was the only backup person,
we backed up about 80 windows and AIX machines using IBM's Tivoli 
Storage Manager and BackupEXEC. 
We had about 800 LTO tapes under management with one small tape 
library.  About half the machines were local
and half attached over T1 links that we could not saturate for backup 
purposes.)

I don't mean to scare anyone about backups, but backups are like 
insurance.  And the premiums are never fun to pay.

... Take care, ... Jack

Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
> This is a somewhat loose question but we're still in the brainstorming 
> stage....
>
> We're currently outsourcing all our backups to central IT, who uses
> Legato. This is expensive. We'd like to cut our backup costs while
> continuing to take advantage of the Legato team's infrastructure for
> full/archival/DR backups.
>
> Seems like the currently popular open source backup options are Amanda
> and Bacula. Rsync also becomes a contender if we're doing
> disk-to-disk.
>
> Am I correct in thinking that amanda uses /etc/amandates, bacula uses
> /etc/dumpdates,  Legato uses its own database, and rsync checks the
> files on disk against the existing archive, so none of these systems
> would run interference with each other?
> Am I missing any obvious good choices?
>
> Anyone here doing mixed method backups? The wildcard is that I don't
> control the Legato server and need to choose from a set of fixed
> schedule choices, none of which are really working for us. I may want
> to go fight for a customized schedule but I'll want to be dang sure
> it's going to meet our needs.  (and there's a whole nother layer of fu
> around Legato not understanding native ZFS and needing every single
> ZFS volume to be legacy mounted, but that's another post)
>
>
>
>   
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