Hi Josh I have moved this from Mac Access, since it no longer has a Mac or iOS relevance.
I know how to do this the hard way. I also know how not to do it the hard way, if you get my point. What I’m saying is that there’s a right and a wrong way of doing things like this. Let me give you an example. If you listen to a song such as Michael Jackson’s “Got To Be There”, and pay attention to his vocal tracks. You can clearly hear that these were done in real time and not particularly well either. The song is excellent, but there are very slight deviations between the two vocal tracks. I guess I notice this kind of thing but every time I listen to that song, it hits me like somebody poured a bucket of cold water over my head while I had a laptop on my lap. Yes, nasty! Nasty! Nasty!!!! ;-) But seriously, there are other artists I’ve heard who have also done double-tracked vocals and not done it quite right. But that song, “Got To Be There” is just a shining example of how not to do things the hard way. Another band which used two techniques which sound quite similar were the Beetles. The vast majority of Paul McCartney’s vocals were either double-tracked or compressed. Compression is sometimes another technique which producers use to kind of simulate double-tracking. So is reverb. A very fast reverb setting can actually sound really good when applied to vocals, as long as it isn’t overdone. Anyway, if you have that song in your collection, “Got To Be There” by Michael Jackson, have a listen to it and pay attention to the vocals. Most especially, listen to the high notes when he sings “Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee” and when he sings “I need her sharing the world beside mere" Kind regards <--- Gordon Smith ---> <[email protected]> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help & Support To Young People With Visual Impairment, plus Braille Transcription services. Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 Or: +44 1642 941776 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Australasia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> Skype: <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> ------------------------------ On 2 Nov 2013, at 11:41, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: See, this is why this stuff has always been beyond me, I'm more of the how does it work, how do you fix it person? The fact that you and other people like you know how to do this stuff is amazing to me, not that I'm taking on the blind people are totally amazing mantra, but just that I could never get how to do any of this stuff. LOL. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > I happen to agree with this. An FX processor, no matter how good, will never > accurately emulate the sound of a human voice even assuming you can get the > pitch changes spot on. Dane’s Yamaha unit may not even be an FX processor, I > don’t know. I too have an FX processor but it can only do so much. > Actually, Sarah did hit the nail on the head when she spoke about the > different chords or, to use the proper term, “Intervals” You see, I too have > some musical training and background. > > But what has come out of this is actually a very positive discussion. So > let’s not start taking things personally or making noises regarding what > others write. This is merely a discussion which I started because I wanted > to see whether anybody could come up with a technological solution. I know > how this used to be done in the good old days of analogue. But now we’re all > digital and I was kind of hoping there might be a short cut. Seems like > there is not a short cut. So we’ll have to do this the good old fashioned > way. The skill here, apart from hitting the correct intervals to create > effective harmonies is to produce vocals with the same inflections on the > same beat of each note. It’s going to sound pretty horrendous if, for > instance, an “N” sound were to be elongated on one track and not on the > accompanying track. That was always the skill of the musician in the good > old days of analogue. I have done a little work in a studio environment. > True, that was only a 16-track studio and not the 64-track recording studio > type of setup. But all the same, when you listen to a band like, for > example, Queen sing, or a musician sing in harmony with another musician, > they always hit the same inflections. This is taking us way off topic. Bit > it sounds to me as though the only solution to this problem which is > available to me is going to be doing it the hard way. > > Again, ProTools is out of my price range just at the moment. Although > perhaps some may snub them, there are other tools which can be used to > produce similar results. Possibly not as seamlessly, but I’m sure it can be > done. > > Kind regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Providing Help & Support To Young People With Visual Impairment, plus Braille > Transcription services. > > On 29 Oct 2013, at 21:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Keep in mind though, a yamaha effects unit is only as good as the person who > configures it, same goes with other plugs. Not only this, but most of those > things are going to be used more as a vo-coder. Not as something that keeps > the original human sound of the voice. 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