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the below message illustrates the point I think as to how very important it is that we research the equipment as best as is possible before we buy.

I have a Denon AVR-2113 Surround-Sound receiver here and I know what every button on that receiver does, I know where every HDMI or other input connections are but more importantly I know just how to activate those connections so - whatever device I connect - I can get that device going.

Of course I was particularly lucky, the store I bught my Denon from offered me 3 hours with a professional installer so I took the opportunity to have him show me everything about the receiver and I asked every question I could possibly think of asking whilst taking notes.

My receiver is one of those with a HTML Interface that gives me complete control over the receivers configuration and I'll explain some aspects of this as best I can.

The receiver has quite a few inputs, 6 HDMI, 2 Digital Audio and 4 analogue type inputs, not much by today's standards but enough for most people.

Now suppose I select Input 1 from the remote controller, I can then go into the Configuration and actually configure the receiver and tell it what ports to assign to input 1, say HDMI port number two, Digital Input 1 and Analogue Input 3 thus if there's no signal from HDMI port 2 the input then switches to Digital Input 1 and if there's no signal there then Input number one then switches to Analog Input 3.

You can go further by assigning a name for input number one, you ccould call it something meaningful like "Apple TV". You can also adjust the levels of input number one if required but I won't make this sound any more complex that it may be sounding right now <smile>.

So what this all means is that if I have a device like a Neo or Apple TV connected I know exactly what buttons to press to gain access to that device.

Another trick I normally employ - just to set up a device or make sure its working correctly - is to use the Aux port on the front of my receiver for first time connections, once I'm sure everything is working with an Apple TV for example I connect it to one of the main ports of the receiver.

Just my two cents worth on this.

On 20/09/2016 9:19 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

I keep meaning to go into this one further, but things keep hapening. I received the Apfle TV on Saturday morning, although so far I have not had a lot of luck with it owing to the fact that it ibbn't slitchingmy TV into the correct b"HEREDMI input when activated So I'll have to try again with a different lead, although I doubt it will make much difference.


My Compliments And Kindest Regards
Gordon Smith
'Accessibility And Information Technology Support Specialist

On 16 Sep 2016 12:48, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

    Well first thing is you’re absolutely right, I don’t know how to
    install Voice Assistant and I expect no one else will be able to
    help you with that either given its the Screen Reading App that
    appears on Samsung devices - well some of the anyway -.
    Now if you’re referring to Google Talkback? Well a lot of water
    has flowed under the bridge since that time and - since you’ve
    seen fit to bring this up in the discussion - I think i it would
    be an appropriate point in the conversation to paint the picture
    for other list members regarding the Neo Set Top Box I have and
    how I got Talkback on it.
    Firstly the Neo is a very powerful little Set Top Box running
    Android 5.x and - as far as I know - its still one of the most
    powerful Android Set Top Boxes on the market or perhaps its more a
    computer? Whatever way you like to term it the Neo has plenty of
    inputs and outputs to satisfy just about every users needs.
    I wrote to the dealer who sold me my Neo asking him if he wouldn’t
    mind installing the Google Talkback App - that’s the Google Screen
    Reader for Android devices - and he had no hesitation in agreeing
    to do that.
    As it happens it was most worthwhile getting the dealer to install
    Talkback, he was naturally curious thus he tested and gave me
    feedback on many of the Apps the Neo came with and he also
    suggested alternative devices I could use in various Apps to get
    better accessibility to that app, you don’t really want to be
    using say a remote control when you’re entering passwords or
    searching for something, if you can get something to simulate a
    Touch Screen - an Airmouse for instance - whilst scrolling through
    titles in Netflix then that might be more accessible than the
    remote etc.
    so that’s how I got Talkback onto the Neo and the same situation
    has arisen again with my new Banana pi however there are various
    ways and means I’ve found thanks to those on the vi-android list
    which will make life a lot easier, in short I can access the SD
    card and actually put the Google Talkback App onto that card.
    I’m hoping to have time to try this on the weekend.

    On 16 Sep 2016, at 9:08 PM, Gordon Smith <gor...@mac-access.net
    <mailto:gor...@mac-access.net>> wrote:

    I'm still at that point with my Neo box. I do believe I asked you
    about installing Voice Assistant and you said you didn't know how
    to do it. But not to woroy, I'll just have to wait until I get
    some eyes to help I guess.

    Yes, my knowledge of this sort of thing is sadly lacking at this
    point. But I need to start somewhere. I guess I'lb have to try
    googling it.


    My Compliments And Kindest Regards
    Gordon Smith
    'Accessibility And Information Technology Support Specialist

    On 16 Sep 2016 02:22, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net
    <mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net>> wrote:

        Thanks for that
        I already have the Neo box in the lounge so it will either be
        another one of those or the Apple TV Forth generation for the
        den, I haven’t quite made up my mind yet.
        There’s a lot to be said for the Neo as well.
        True, the Neo takes a little setting up to allow
        accessibility but I know how to install Google Talkback
        having done it all before.
        This may not mean a lot to other users but the Neo is a far
        more open environment given that it uses Android so I can run
        anything I wish to pretty much from it, from Acapella’s TTS
        voice to Google Now’s voice recognition to Skype, all of
        which I have on the Neo.
        There’s plenty to recommend the Apple TV as well, its a great
        way to play all the TV shows and movies I bought from iTunes
        many moons ago it seems so may as well make use of them.
        Anyway I now have plenty of stuff to think about and I’ll let
        the list know what I decide.

        On 16 Sep 2016, at 5:30 AM, Gordon Smith
        <gor...@mac-access.net <mailto:gor...@mac-access.net>> wrote:

        Hello everybody

        Somebody I think it was Dane, asked about the Apple TV 4th
        generation.  Today I’ve had the opportunity to get extensive
        hands-on experience, as I went to set one up for a client.

        I can report that the device is just as accessible as it
        your iPhone or iPad, only it gives you access to your iTunes
        library (if you have Home Sharing turned on). It also has
        WiFi A/B/N compatibility.  I would have liked to have seen
        Apple update that to the new standards currently being
        rolled out, but never mind, it still works.

        The remote is interesting.  You talk to it, using BlueTooth
        4.0 and SIRI.  VoiceOver is, as I said, fully supported;
        just triple tap the menu  button.  I’m quite impressed
        actually, there’s a lot of content.  I am going to get
        myself one for my birthday, (the only present I want).  It
        not only runs via the AC, but it also has a rechargeable
        battery internally so that it can be used for around 9
        hours, I believe, without the power being present.  Not much
        use, of course, if you don’t have any means of powering your
        external equipment, but there we go.  The unit has a quite
        familiar feel if you’ve used one before.  It’s just a little
        squire box, about 2 inches high by  4 inches long  by 4
        inches wide.  There are actually dual microphones, one on
        the remote and one on the unit itself.  Setup is totally
        accessible via Voiceover, which reads in localised voices
        depending upon your location.

        This is another way to access a lot of on-demand material,
        plus your iTunes library of movies and videos.  But I should
        warn you; most of the online movies etc. are paid material,
        there’s not a lot that is free.

        For me, the attraction is being able to stream all my movies
        and home videos directly to the TV and watch them on my HD
        TV here in the lounge.  I have just enough connectivity to
        support it via HDMI and a good strong WiFi signal.

        I’m expecting delivery on Saturday, all being well.  So I’ll
        update you further when it arrives.  But I’m feeling quite
        positive about this.  My old second generation unit will,
        sadly, be consigned to the dustbin, as it’s obsolete and out
        of date.


        My compliments and kindest regards
        Gordon Smith:
        <gor...@mac-access.net <mailto:gor...@mac-access.net>>

        Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.
        +44 (0)7907 823971


        Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave
        the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.

    Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the
    rest of the halfwits in this world behind.

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