Lorenzo,

We both have got the same case.  It seems a solution to this problem would 
save a lot of people.

Shree,

I pulled the current head of master branch but it doesn't seem to contain 
the merges you pointed that have been merged 3 to 4 days ago.  How can I 
get them?

ElMagoElGato

2019年7月19日金曜日 17時02分53秒 UTC+9 Lorenzo Blz:
>
>
>
> PSM 7 was a partial solution for my specific case, it improved the 
> situation but did not solve it. Also I could not use it in some other cases.
>
> The proper solution is very likely doing more training with more data, 
> some data augmentation might probably help if data is scarce.
> Also doing less training might help is the training is not done correctly.
>
> There are also similar issues on github:
>
> https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/issues/1465
> ...
>
> The LSTM engine works like this: it scans the image and for each "pixel 
> column" does this:
>
> M M M M N M M M [BLANK] F F F F
>
> (here i report only the highest probability characters)
>
> In the example above an M is partially seen as an N, this is normal, and 
> another step of the algorithm (beam search I think) tries to aggregate back 
> the correct characters.
>
> I think cases like this:
>
> M M M N N N M M
>
> are what gives the phantom characters. More training should reduce the 
> source of the problem or a painful analysis of the bounding boxes might fix 
> some cases.
>
>
> I used the attached script for the boxes.
>
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno ven 19 lug 2019 alle ore 07:25 ElGato ElMago <
> [email protected] <javascript:>> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let's call them phantom characters then.
>>
>> Was psm 7 the solution for the issue 1778?  None of the psm option didn't 
>> solve my problem though I see different output.
>>
>> I use tesseract 5.0-alpha mostly but 4.1 showed the same results anyway.  
>> How did you get bounding box for each character?  Alto and lstmbox 
>> only show bbox for a group of characters.
>>
>> ElMagoElGato
>>
>> 2019年7月17日水曜日 18時58分31秒 UTC+9 Lorenzo Blz:
>>
>>> Phantom characters here for me too:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/issues/1778
>>>
>>> Are you using 4.1? Bounding boxes were fixed in 4.1 maybe this was also 
>>> improved.
>>>
>>> I wrote some code that uses symbols iterator to discard symbols that are 
>>> clearly duplicated: too small, overlapping, etc. But it was not easy to 
>>> make it work decently and it is not 100% reliable with false negatives and 
>>> positives. I cannot share the code and it is quite ugly anyway.
>>>
>>> Here there is another MRZ model with training data:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/DoubangoTelecom/tesseractMRZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorenzo
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno mer 17 lug 2019 alle ore 11:26 Claudiu <[email protected]> ha 
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>>> I’m getting the “phantom character” issue as well using the OCRB that 
>>>> Shree trained on MRZ lines. For example for a 0 it will sometimes add both 
>>>> a 0 and an O to the output , thus outputting 45 characters total instead 
>>>> of 
>>>> 44. I haven’t looked at the bounding box output yet but I suspect a 
>>>> phantom 
>>>> thin character is added somewhere that I can discard .. or maybe two chars 
>>>> will have the same bounding box. If anyone else has fixed this issue 
>>>> further up (eg so the output doesn’t contain the phantom characters in the 
>>>> first place) id be interested. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM ElGato ElMago <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go back to more of training later.  Before doing so, I'd like to 
>>>>> investigate results a little bit.  The hocr and lstmbox options give some 
>>>>> details of positions of characters.  The results show positions that 
>>>>> perfectly correspond to letters in the image.  But the text output 
>>>>> contains 
>>>>> a character that obviously does not exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I found a config file 'lstmdebug' that generates far more 
>>>>> information.  I hope it explains what happened with each character.  I'm 
>>>>> yet to read the debug output but I'd appreciate it if someone could tell 
>>>>> me 
>>>>> how to read it because it's really complex.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> ElMagoElGato
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019年6月14日金曜日 19時58分49秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>
>>>>>> See https://github.com/Shreeshrii/tessdata_MICR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have uploaded my files there. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/Shreeshrii/tessdata_MICR/blob/master/MICR.sh
>>>>>> is the bash script that runs the training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can modify as needed. Please note this is for legacy/base 
>>>>>> tesseract --oem 0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:26 PM ElGato ElMago <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, shree.  It seems you know everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried the MICR0.traineddata and the first two mcr.traineddata.  
>>>>>>> The last one was blocked by the browser.  Each of the traineddata had 
>>>>>>> mixed 
>>>>>>> results.  All of them are getting symbols fairly good but getting 
>>>>>>> spaces 
>>>>>>> randomly and reading some numbers wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MICR0 seems the best among them.  Did you suggest that you'd be able 
>>>>>>> to update it?  It gets tripple D very often where there's only one, and 
>>>>>>> so 
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I tried to fine tune from MICR0 but I found that I need to 
>>>>>>> change the language-specific.sh.  It specifies some parameters for each 
>>>>>>> language.  Do you have any guidance for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2019年6月14日金曜日 1時48分40秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see 
>>>>>>>> http://www.devscope.net/Content/ocrchecks.aspx 
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/BigPino67/Tesseract-MICR-OCR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tesseract-ocr/obWI4cz8rXg/6l82hEySgOgJ
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:21 AM ElGato ElMago <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That'll be nice if there's traineddata out there but I didn't find 
>>>>>>>>> any.  I see free fonts and commercial OCR software but not 
>>>>>>>>> traineddata.  
>>>>>>>>> Tessdata repository obviously doesn't have one, either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2019年6月8日土曜日 1時52分10秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please also search for existing MICR traineddata files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 1:09 PM ElGato ElMago <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I did several tests from scratch.  In the last attempt, I 
>>>>>>>>>>> made a training text with 4,000 lines in the following format,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 110004310510<   <02 :4002=0181:801= 0008752 <00039 ;0000001000;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and combined it with eng.digits.training_text in which symbols 
>>>>>>>>>>> are converted to E13B symbols.  This makes about 12,000 lines of 
>>>>>>>>>>> training 
>>>>>>>>>>> text.  It's amazing that this thing generates a good reader out of 
>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere.  But then it is not very good.  For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <01 :1901=1386:021= 1111001<10001< ;0000090134;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is a result on the image attached.  It's close but the last '<' 
>>>>>>>>>>> in the result text doesn't exist on the image.  It's a small 
>>>>>>>>>>> failure but it 
>>>>>>>>>>> causes a greater trouble in parsing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What would you suggest from here to increase accuracy?  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Increase the number of lines in the training text
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Mix up more variations in the training text
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Increase the number of iterations
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Investigate wrong reads one by one
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Or else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I referred to engrestrict*.* and could generate similar 
>>>>>>>>>>> result with the fine-tuning-from-full method.  It seems a bit 
>>>>>>>>>>> faster to get 
>>>>>>>>>>> to the same level but it also stops at a 'good' level.  I can go 
>>>>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>>>>> either way if it takes me to the bright future.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> ElMagoElGato
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2019年5月30日木曜日 15時56分02秒 UTC+9 ElGato ElMago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Shree. I'll look it in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019年5月30日木曜日 14時39分52秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See https://github.com/Shreeshrii/tessdata_shreetest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the files engrestrict*.* and also 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Shreeshrii/tessdata_shreetest/blob/master/eng.digits.training_text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create training text of about 100 lines and finetune for 400 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 9:38 AM ElGato ElMago <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had about 14 lines as attached.  How many lines would you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine tuning gives much better result but it tends to pick 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other character than in E13B that only has 14 characters, 0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through 9 and 4 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbols.  I thought training from scratch would eliminate such 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019年5月30日木曜日 10時43分08秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For training from scratch a large training text and hundreds 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of thousands of iterations are recommended. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are just fine tuning for a font try to follow 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions for training for impact, with your font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2019, 06:05 ElGato ElMago, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Shree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I saw the instruction.  The steps I made are as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using tesstrain.sh:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/training/tesstrain.sh --fonts_dir /usr/share/fonts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --lang eng --linedata_only \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --noextract_font_properties --langdata_dir ../langdata \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --tessdata_dir ./tessdata \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --fontlist "E13Bnsd" --output_dir ~/tesstutorial/e13beval 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --training_text ../langdata/eng/eng.training_e13b_text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Training from scratch:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mkdir -p ~/tesstutorial/e13boutput
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/training/lstmtraining --debug_interval 100 \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --traineddata ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng/eng.traineddata 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --net_spec '[1,36,0,1 Ct3,3,16 Mp3,3 Lfys48 Lfx96 Lrx96 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lfx256 O1c111]' \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --model_output ~/tesstutorial/e13boutput/base 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --learning_rate 20e-4 \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --train_listfile 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng.training_files.txt \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --eval_listfile 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng.training_files.txt \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --max_iterations 5000 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &>~/tesstutorial/e13boutput/basetrain.log
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Test with base_checkpoint:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/training/lstmeval --model 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~/tesstutorial/e13boutput/base_checkpoint \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --traineddata ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng/eng.traineddata 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --eval_listfile 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng.training_files.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Combining output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> src/training/lstmtraining --stop_training \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --continue_from ~/tesstutorial/e13boutput/base_checkpoint 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --traineddata ~/tesstutorial/e13beval/eng/eng.traineddata 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --model_output ~/tesstutorial/e13boutput/eng.traineddata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Test with eng.traineddata:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tesseract e13b.png out --tessdata-dir 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/koichi/tesstutorial/e13boutput
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The training from scratch ended as:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At iteration 561/2500/2500, Mean rms=0.159%, delta=0%, char 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train=0%, word train=0%, skip ratio=0%,  New best char error = 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 wrote best 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model:/home/koichi/tesstutorial/e13boutput/base0_561.checkpoint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checkpoint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The test with base_checkpoint returns nothing as:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At iteration 0, stage 0, Eval Char error rate=0, Word error 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate=0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The test with eng.traineddata and e13b.png returns 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out.txt.  Both files are attached.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Training seems to have worked fine.  I don't know how to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate the test result from base_checkpoint.  The generated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eng.traineddata obviously doesn't work well. I suspect the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --traineddata in combining output files is bad but I have no 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ElMagoElGato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I referred to your tess4training in the process.  It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019年5月29日水曜日 19時14分08秒 UTC+9 shree:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/wiki/TrainingTesseract-4.00#combining-the-output-files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:18 PM ElGato ElMago <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish to make a trained data for E13B font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the training tutorial and made a base_checkpoint 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file according to the method in Training From Scratch.  Now, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how can I make 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a trained data from the base_checkpoint file?
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