Meeting logs: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/quality/quality.2025-11-24-16.01.log.html https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/quality/quality.2025-11-24-16.01.html
----- Here is an AI-generated summary of a [Fedora Quality meeting]( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings) from 2025-11-24. Please be aware that the summary is intended for a quick convenient recapitulation of the meeting, but might contain factual errors. Read the full meeting log for all the details. ## Roll Call The meeting began with a **Roll Call** and saw high attendance. Adam Williamson welcomed two new Red Hat-employed QE members: **Jaroslav Groman** and **Petr Sklenar**. Jaroslav Groman was noted in the logs initially as "None" and was advised by Kamil Páral to update his FAS profile. Adam warned Jaroslav and Petr about the "`.fire XXX`" chat gag (where a bot would post "adamw fires XXX"), clarifying that it is definitely just a gag and not to be taken seriously. ----- ## Previous meeting follow-up * Kamil Páral confirmed that the action item from the previous meeting—to update the discussion summary on issue [1]—had been completed. * Petr Sklenar provided an update on the upcoming **Test Day** for the **FreeIPA "modern webUI"**, which is tracked at [2]. Developers have provided the setup, and test cases are expected to be prepared by the end of the current week. ----- ## Broken Mesa update situation Adam Williamson introduced an emergency topic to discuss a recent issue with a broken **Mesa update**. He provided a summary of what happened: * Dave Airlie (Mesa maintainer, RH employee) submitted a Mesa update for F43 which included a backport of an unapproved upstream PR and disabled autopush. He did not tag a specific bug. * RPMFusion created a matching update to their `mesa 'freeworld'` packages. * The Fedora update received significant negative feedback, primarily from users reporting "games don't work in Steam on my NVIDIA card any more". * The RPMFusion update went stable. * Leigh Scott (`leigh123linux`, a Proven Packager) manually pushed the Fedora update stable (with no comment on the negative feedback). * The issue was confirmed, and Dave Airlie sent out a new update with the fix [3]. Discussion points: * Brandon Nielsen felt the situation was an "unfortunate string of human mistakes" and questioned the backporting of an unmerged fix. Adam noted that while backporting can be legitimate, he expected more explanation, as he couldn't find what the backport was intended to fix. * Kamil Páral noted that Leigh prioritized RPMFusion dependencies over the reported Mesa issues, which Kamil didn't feel was a good call, as `mesa-freeworld` is used by fewer users than vanilla Mesa. * The decided plan of action is for **Adam Williamson to file an issue to draft a message of concern** to the Mesa maintainers (Dave Airlie and Leigh Scott). The goal is to ask them what can be done to avoid similar situations in the future. * Kamil suggested that running games in openQA to test Mesa could be an idea, though Lukáš Růžička suggested **Games Test Days** as an alternative. ----- ## Fedora 44 status * Fedora 44 is reportedly not experiencing major issues ("not on fire"). * The primary concern is a persistent, hard-to-reproduce bug [4] that causes the **KDE update test in openQA** to fail frequently. * The test is designed to trigger an *offline* update, but sometimes it unexpectedly runs an *online* update. * Lukáš Růžička confirmed that he has been restarting the test often. Neal Gompa confirmed he cannot reproduce the issue on VMs or hardware. * The fact that the issue almost never fails on aarch64 implies a timing element is involved. * Adam will try to experiment with adding sleeps or reboots to the test to mitigate the failure rate. ----- ## Forgejo migration plans * The plan to migrate various Pagure repositories to **Forgejo** is in progress, tracked in [5]. * Testing migrations to a staging Forgejo instance has started. * Adam proposed doing at least one production migration (likely a small repository with no CI, such as `qa-docs`) in the next RH sprint. * There is currently **no shutdown date for Pagure**, so the team has discretion over the timing of production migrations. * A key topic is how to handle the migration of **Story Points** from Pagure, which do not exist in Forgejo. The team will need to use **labels** as a substitute, requiring synchronization of label names across the project. ----- ## Test Day / community event status * The FreeIPA "modern webUI" Test Day is confirmed for December 2nd-3rd. * An **SSSD Test Day** has also been proposed [6]. Jaroslav Groman will try to handle it with assistance from the rest of the team. ----- ## Open floor No other topics were raised. ### Action Items * **Adam Williamson** to file an issue to draft a note to the Mesa maintainers about the broken update situation, for follow-up on wording and delivery. [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/841 [2] https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/837 [3] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-2f4ba7cd17 [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2404267 [5] https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/836 [6] https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/845
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