Dear Testing Group: There are probably quite a few folks (like myself) who have been reading drafts of the white paper and not commenting... and new people will be coming on board and hitting it for the first time... possibly with lots of comments. Mark Lott and others have certainly introduced some new ways for us to consider the "teasing/certification" issue. Despite the "public" feeling of this listserv, however, it represents only a tiny slice of the industry and I would like to welcome ALL the "new" ideas... and especially the new criticisms. Having people try to shoot holes in one's proposal is actually a good way to discover its flaws. When nobody is shooting at me I begin to wonder if they are even listening!
(But don't forget to wear your body armor!) When the dust settles a bit, we should try to define some terms... and/or purge them (from everyone's websites!) if we cannot agree on what they mean. Best regards, Chris Christopher J. Feahr, OD Optiserv Consulting [For the vision care industry] Santa Rosa, CA 707-579-4984 707-529-2268 (cell/pager) http://VisionDataStandard.org http://Optiserv.com At 10:41 AM 9/16/2002 -0700, Marsha E Solomon wrote: >John, >I thank you, and agree with you and Lin. I supported your first attempt to >put this listserv back on track and end these threads two weeks ago. > >I am sure I am speaking for a lot of folks on the listserv when I say I am >deleting more emails than I'm reading. I find lately, that the majority >are petty, using phrases and words out of context, if not out-and-out >untrue. And the personal attacks are unprofessional, unfair, uninformed, >personal grudges. > >None of the SNIP work groups make decisions about work products based >listserv threads. They are based on discussions in the workgroup meetings. >If some of these people participated and understood the SNIP process they'd >also know this. > >You want to knit-pick other people's work without constructively adding >value? You want to slash and slam people who are dedicated to making the >implementation of standards work? Have at it! But I think y'all ought to >get your own listserv and leave the rest of us alone to support each other >in actually doing Testing of the standards. > >Marsha > >Verizon Information Technologies Inc. >Managed Care Division >Phoenix, AZ >HOME OF THE WORLD CHAMPION ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS ... whose Magic Number is >down to 7! >Phone - 602.678.6042 >Fax - 602.678.6331 >E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is >for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential >and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please >contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original >message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Quinkert, > Lin" > > <LQuinkert@govcon To: > "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > nect.com> cc: > > Subject: Use of SNIP > Testing Listserv > 09/16/2002 > 09:39 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >John, > > >I concur! Evidently most of the writers on this listserv don't participate >in the workgroup or they would: >1. Understand and respect the process for all SNIP white papers as a >documented and fair process with many reviews >2. Realize the paper has already been approved by: > a. the workgroup > b. the Transaction co-chairs > c. the SNIP Steering Committee > d. is currently before the Board >3. Not use this forum to posture and do nothing but criticize those that >are trying hard to help the industry > > >You are absolutely right, this listserv needs get back on track and to be >used to communicate and further the efforts of the workgroup - which by >definition are those that work within the group - not those that just flood >our email boxes with their criticisms of the work done by the group! > > >Transaction Co-chair, > > >Lin Quinkert >HIPAA Practice Manager >GovConnect >A Subsidiary of govONE Solutions >33 Bellewood Ct. >New Albany, IN 47150 >Cell: (502) 905-1099 >Fax: (812) 949-0611 >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.GovConnect.com > > > > > > >John Lilleston wrote: > > > > > >I guess I have a few things to say here. First, if you do not actively >participate in the process of updating and maintaining this white paper, I >do not think it is fair that you come to this forum and shoot down the >ideas of the people who have put their blood, sweat, and tears into it. I >do realize that you may also have good ideas but if you cannot participate >in the process, stirring the pot is only destructive. Once again, I >broadcast meeting times and agenda to this listserv every other week so >join the call if you truly feel that strongly about something in the paper. > >The group is a democracy and everyone's opinion is heard. I know everyone > >cannot join every meeting but if you are as passionate as you are on this >listserv, I think you need to make time. > > >I find it kind of amusing that there is so much discussion as to this paper > >within the last few weeks. This white paper has been sent to this listserv > >more times than I can count and I only received a handful of comments. I >wonder what has changed to make this all happen? I feel like the >discussion is becoming ugly at times and that the group itself is becoming >divided. I do not want this to happen. It is only when we work together >that we can accomplish anything worthwhile. > > >I will be looking to our Transaction Co-chairs for some suggestions on how >to handle this situation moving forward. I, like Mark Lott wrote, am >probably one of those people who does not have 15 years of EDI/QA >experience behind me. But...I do have about 15 years of testing experience > >and I feel like what we have offered up in the paper is valuable. If you >are a member of this group and are a vendor, you need to take your vendor >hat off before you respond to these emails or you attend our conference >calls. We are here to suggest best practices for the industry...not sell >our products. I don't care whether you offer a certification product, a >testing product, or no product at all, this group will listen to your ideas > >as long as they are presented correctly and are beneficial. > > >I personally don't see what all the hoopla is about using the word >certification versus not using it from a non-vendor standpoint. We have >defined certification in the paper. The word is used within that context >for the remainder of the paper. I think we can find many more worthwhile >ways of using our time and resources other than updating this paper once >again. We need to get back to the business of collecting test data for the > >industry, sharing our testing experiences, and updating the Business to >Business paper with the suggestions made months ago. But, I am just one >member of this group...whatever we decide as a whole goes! > > >John > > > > > > > > >To be removed from this listserv, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >The WEDI SNIP listserv to which you are subscribed is not moderated. The >discussions on this listserv therefore represent the views of the >individual >participants, and do not necessarily represent the views of the WEDI Board >of >Directors nor WEDI SNIP. If you wish to receive an official opinion, post >your question to the WEDI SNIP Issues Database at >http://snip.wedi.org/tracking/. >Posting of advertisements or other commercial use of this listserv is >specifically prohibited. > > > > > > > > >To be removed from this listserv, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ><P>The WEDI SNIP listserv to which you are subscribed is not moderated. 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