The secret of our West KY Caving was landowner relations. It is much easier to 
find a new undocumented unexplored unsurveyed cave by the land owner telling 
you where an opening is, however small, than it is to physically check every 
sink, disappearing stream and similar karst feature on the topo map. You need 
land owner permission in any case, although I will say we did not initially 
always have that. We used age old techniques. Start in an area with karst and 
take it from there. Stop at feed stores, rural post offices. See an old man 
sitting in his yard, stop and introduce you self. Once you have some experience 
in the area and can name some names-can show them some copies of your work, 
drop the name of a university geology prof, etc., explain the hole you are 
searching for may not be any bigger than a raccoon hole maybe, just maybe, the 
leads will start coming in. It helps if you have a several county area that 
other cave surveyors and cave documenters have not recorded. I would say for 
every 10 leads one would be a "go." This takes time.

Someone has to do the leg work and build up an relationship with the landowners.

Best of caving,

Preston in Muhlenberg Co., KY

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