texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 13:27:21 -0000 Issue 1869
Topics (messages 22932 through 22942):
DFW Grotto member Jake McLeod wins "Chuck Stuehm Award"
22932 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
PBSS member Kayde Hill wins "Chuck Stuehm Award" at theTexas Cavers Reunion
22933 by: Bill Bentley
Re: Poison-ivy
22934 by: cvreeland
22938 by: Kurt L. Menking
22939 by: Gill Edigar
22940 by: Bill Walden
22942 by: vivbone.att.net
Re: Poison-ivy and Karst
22935 by: Gill Edigar
22936 by: Charles Goldsmith
Message from the CaveSim guy
22937 by: Bill Steele
Re: poison ivy distribution
22941 by: Jim Kennedy
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October 21,2013
Dallas/Fort Worth Grotto member Jake McLeod wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the
Texas Cavers Reunion...
The Chuck Stuehm Award —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers
Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and
exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in
Texas. The award is named after Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “ Steam”), who was
a caver in San Antonio, and was especially good at welcoming, working
with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new,
exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the
opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award
every year.
Chuck died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. An
issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his
accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was
established to be awarded annually to an outstanding new caver in each grotto
at
the Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR).
The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements:
The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two
years or less and shows an high level of enthusiasm for and interest in
caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they
choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of
the
more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR.
Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting
after TCR. Jake will be treated to a free dinner after our meeting
tomorrow night.
The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the
TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for
framing. If the winner is already a TSA member they will receive one year's
extension of membership. This year’s Chuck Stuehm Award winners were
announced at TCR on October 19th, 2013.
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October 19,2013
Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award
at the Texas Cavers Reunion...
The Chuck Stuehm Award
-An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers
Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and
exceptional cavers, and can be
awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after
Raymond Chuck Stuehm
(pronounced " Steam") who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio
area and was especially
good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is
honored every time a new,
exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the
opportunity to encourage new
cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year.
Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A
memorial issue of the Texas
Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in
caving. At the same time
the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new
caver in each grotto each year at
Texas Cavers' Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers' Reunion.
The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements:
The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years
or less and shows an unusual
enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of the
recipient is by the grotto in whatever
way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting
some of the more active members
of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will
also honor the recipient at
the next grotto meeting after TCR.
The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA
(Texas Speleological Association)
and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA
member they will receive one year's
extension of membership. The Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR
on October 19th, 2011.
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This is true, by my experience. I wasn't at all allergic - could rub it on my
skin to no effect until I was in my mid-30's. Was out ridge walking, and stuck
my face down in a patch of it to look into a low lead under a ledge, and later
noticed just the faintest of itches, but no real rash. About 6 months later,
got into another patch while weeding the side yard at the old VG location on
Shady Ln (river bottom, so it was everywhere) and BLAM. I am now full-blown
don't even look at it allergic.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:40 PM, George Veni <[email protected]> wrote:
> Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can
> sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are
> currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible.
>
> George
>
>
> Sent from my mobile phone
>
> ********************
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]>
> Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
> To: Mark Minton <[email protected]>
> Cc: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>
>
> Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the
> other treatments.
>
> Sheryl
>
> Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
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>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
> A related product is Tecnu
> <http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly
> available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that
> causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after
> exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on
> the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces
> itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the
> disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is
> extremely sensitive.)
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on
> me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is
> http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
>
>
> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named
> brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's
> expensive, but worth every cent.
>
> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There
> was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it
> into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore
> it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.
>
> If you can, try the above link
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
> experience?
>
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned
> people are the most allergic ?
>
> David Locklear
>
> Please reply to [email protected]
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I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater
for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals,
etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over.
After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the
Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone
and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
Kurt
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A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
contact condition, not an allergy.
And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity'
since it's not a disease.
I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which
is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things)
and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any
oils, however.
Thoughts? Info?
--Ediger
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking <[email protected]> wrote:
> I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. ****
>
> ** **
>
> For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
> eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts,
> sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
> it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
> worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in
> 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.****
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt ****
>
>
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When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7
(1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those
shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare
for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe
that the shots are no longer given.
Bill Walden
On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:
A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
contact condition, not an allergy.
And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an
'immunity' since it's not a disease.
I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits'
which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among
other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely
ought to get rid of any oils, however.
Thoughts? Info?
--Ediger
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite
with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super
exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there
was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a
few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went
to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in
3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are
prescription.
Kurt
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If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the
leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush.
best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for poison
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure.
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become. You cannot
develop an immunity.
Vivian Loftin
________________________________
From: Bill Walden <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I
underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't
break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble
or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer
given.
Bill Walden
On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:
A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact
condition, not an allergy.
>And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since
>it's not a disease.
>I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a
>carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and
>should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils,
>however.
>Thoughts? Info?
>--Ediger
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
>>>
>>>For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
>>>eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts,
>>>sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
>>>it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
>>>worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in
>>>3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>>>
>>>Kurt
>
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I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
--Ediger
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Poison-ivy and Karst
>
> How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site
> back on track)
>
> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
> youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a
> half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
> the smoke passed over me ------. Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>
> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
> discovered two things:
>
> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
> beds.
>
> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where
> the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>
> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
> extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost
> by repeated exposure.
>
> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up
> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
> in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Easy Gill, poison oak grows on trees :)
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
> ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Poison-ivy and Karst
>>
>> How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this
>> site back on track)
>>
>> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
>> youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a
>> half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
>> the smoke passed over me ------. Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>>
>> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
>> discovered two things:
>>
>> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
>> beds.
>>
>> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping
>> where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>>
>> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
>> extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost
>> by repeated exposure.
>>
>> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up
>> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
>> in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> From: David Jackson <[email protected]>
> Date: October 22, 2013, 11:32:18 PM CDT
> To: David Jackson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Thank you for supporting CaveSim at Texas Cavers Reunion 2013
>
> Hi All,
> Thank you for donating to bring CaveSim to the Texas Cavers Reunion!
> Everyone we talked with at TCR really enjoyed CaveSim, and it was a pleasure
> to meet so many enthusiastic Texas cavers. In all, there were 14
> organizations and individuals who donated. We could not have brought CaveSim
> down from Colorado without your support, and we made sure to thank all donors
> with a sign during the event. Cavers of all ages took a total of 192 trips
> through CaveSim, and competed for awards in six different categories.
> CaveSim was in constant use on Saturday (we ran it from 9AM to 10PM with one
> break for the parade and dinner). Many of the participants were experienced
> cavers, but your support also let us teach cave conservation to some kids and
> adults who had never been caving before. One woman said that she might
> actually try real caving with her caver boyfriend having successfully
> navigated the 60ft of crawling CaveSim passage.
>
> TCR is a great event (Texas cavers really know how to throw a good party) and
> we're really glad that we were able to bring CaveSim with your support.
> Special thanks to Bill Steele for bringing all of this together. If you'd
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>
> Thanks again, and good caving,
> Dave
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Somebody was saying they got poison oak in Texas, and that triggered a
memory, so I looked it up. Poison oak is only found west of the Rocky
Mountains. To quote Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron_radicans) "Poison ivy grows
throughout much of North America, including the Canadian Maritime provinces,
Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, and all U.S. states east of the Rocky Mountains,
as well as in the mountainous areas of Mexico up to around 1,500 m (4,900
ft).
So what we have around here is good old-fashioned poison ivy. The effect of
poison oak are the same however, since it is a sister species in the same
genus. So it may be a moot point. But the biologist in me is a stickler
for the accuracy of species ranges.
Jim
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