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Re: Poison-ivy
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EAA Distinguished Lecture Series- Nov 15th - Dr. Andrej Mihevc - Slovenia Karst
Research Institute
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Re: Anacardiaceae
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--- Begin Message ---Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse <[email protected] > wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers < [email protected]> To: caverarch <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: "caverarch" <[email protected]> Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -----Original Message----- From: George Veni <[email protected]> To: Texas Cavers < [email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone ******************** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 [email protected] www.nckri.org -------- Original message -------- From: Sheryl Rieck <[email protected] > Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton <[email protected]> Cc: TexasCavers < [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote: A related product is Tecnu < http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? 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--- Begin Message ---Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the list. We get two emails from you. Please. Sent cellularly. -Don > On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Phil Winkler <[email protected]> wrote: > > All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. > > At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: >> Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of >> these ingredients is a solvent? >> >> Active ingredient: >> >> Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch >> >> Inactive ingredients: >> >> >> >> alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, >> fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate >> 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% >> >> Uses: >> >> >> >> Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and >> sumac. >> Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. >> >> Warnings: >> >> >> >> Do not use on severe, draining rashes. >> Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. >> Keep out of reach of children >> If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. >> Keep out of eyes. >> If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up >> and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. >> Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. >> >> Directions: >> >> >> >> >> To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) >> >> >> >> Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of >> water. >> Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; >> avoid breaking the skin. >> Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. >> Repeat as needed. >> >> To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) >> >> >> >> Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of >> water. >> Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, >> wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. >> Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. >> >> Other information: >> >> >> >> Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) >> >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy >> >> When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply >> spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more >> gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds >> needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. >> >> Sent cellularly. >> -Don >> >> On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse <[email protected] > wrote: >> >> I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea >> in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter >> or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can >> enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these >> products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I >> think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then >> treat with topical steroids if needed. >> >> Mary TZ >> >> >> From: Tom Rogers < [email protected]> >> To: caverarch <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy >> >> I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is >> mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will >> work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There >> will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with >> alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has >> built immunity. >> Tom >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> From: "caverarch" <[email protected]> >> Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy >> >> I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this >> is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern >> woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. >> >> Roger G. Moore >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Veni <[email protected]> >> To: Texas Cavers < [email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy >> >> Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can >> sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are >> currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. >> >> George >> >> >> Sent from my mobile phone >> >> ******************** >> >> George Veni, Ph.D. >> Executive Director >> National Cave and Karst Research Institute >> 400-1 Cascades Avenue >> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 >> USA >> Office: 575-887-5517 >> Mobile: 210-863-5919 >> Fax: 575-887-5523 >> [email protected] >> www.nckri.org >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Sheryl Rieck <[email protected] > >> Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) >> To: Mark Minton <[email protected]> >> Cc: TexasCavers < [email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy >> >> >> Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the >> other treatments. >> >> Sheryl >> >> Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant >> True SEM Antics, Inc. >> 832-632-2387 Home >> 361-205-1458 Cell >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote: >> A related product is Tecnu < >> http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly >> available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that >> causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after >> exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on >> the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces >> itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the >> disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is >> extremely sensitive.) >> >> Mark >> >> >> At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on >> me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is >> http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product >> >> >> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named >> brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's >> expensive, but worth every cent. >> >> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There >> was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop >> it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I >> swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name >> either. >> >> If you can, try the above link >> >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal >> experience? >> >> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? >> >> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot >> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. >> >> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned >> people are the most allergic ? >> >> David Locklear >> >> >> Please reply to [email protected] >> Permanent email address is [email protected] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6274 - Release Date: 10/23/13 >
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--- Begin Message ---Folks, Please join us for the 15th Edwards Aquifer Authority Distinguished Lecture on November 15, 2013. Dr. Andrej Mihevc will present on "Karst Geomorphology with Special Focus on Dinaric Karst." The presentation will be held at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas. The presentation will begin at 9 am and end approximately 4:30 pm. The cost for the event is $25 dollars for the public and $15 for students. For a flyer describing the lecture, please email Geary Schindel at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Dr. Andrej Mihevc will present a one-day workshop on karst and karst geomorphology with special focus to the Dinaric Karst region--one of the most important karst regions in the world. It is the area where the word karst originated and where some early paradigm of karst morphology and hydrology began. The workshop will cover a wide range of issues related to karst sciences, from the history of cave and karst exploration, from an essentially geomorphological paradigm, to living with karst. You may register on line at http://www.eventzilla.net/web/event?eventid=2139005661 Topics: * Dinaric Karst-one of the most important karst landscapes of the world; * History of cave and karst exploration; * Karst geomorphology: caves, dolines, karst poljes, age and evolution; * Life on and with karst landscapes. Biography Dr. Andrej Mihevc began his career in cave exploration in the late 1960s. He graduated with a Ph.D. in Geography from the University of Ljubljana. Since 1980, he has worked as a researcher at the Karst Research Institute at the Slovenia Academy of Sciences and Arts in Postojna. Dr. Mihevc is an associate professor at the University of Ljubljana where he teaches a course on the Geography of Karst and is also a graduate lecturer at the University Nova Gorica. He is an instructor at the International Karstological Schools Classical Karst program organized by the Karst Research Institute and is an active member of numerous national and international speleological organizations. His research interests in karst include speleology and geomorphology, palaeontology, history of speleology and land use management of karst areas. Most of his research work has occurred in the Dinaric and Alpine karst areas in Slovenia and neighboring countries. For more information, you may visit www.edwardsaquifer.org<http://www.edwardsaquifer.org> or you may call Rachel Mitchell or Geary Schindel at 210.222.2204<<attachment: winmail.dat>>
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--- Begin Message ---In a message dated 10/23/2013 1:21:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I just have one question, why did they want to put a nature trail in an area with such toxic vegetation? Cuz it was a cruise ship destination! Originally known at Little Stirrup key it was renamed Coco Cay by the total scumbags at Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. The mothership would park offshore then send up to 4000 tourons at a time to the man made beach where they would line up in lawn chairs like sardines in a can only packed tighter. There they would roast in the sun. Needless to say it wasn't any fun so they hired top dollar consultants who did a study which determined that a nature trail would alleviate some of the crowding. The island is quite beautiful in a wretched sort of way but impossible to experience because of jagged karst and impenetrable scrub so I whacked out a 2.5 mile trail that encircled the island. It visited all the old lignum vitae trees, karst features, hidden beaches, conch camps, dope drops, etc. I made it a point to remove all the poisonwoods that were within easy touching distance and to visit all the rare plant communities. The scrub is beautiful and botanically diverse with lots of endemics but without thinning it is impossible for a moron touron to "see the forest for the trees". I made about $300/hour swinging a machete which made me an object of envy for all Mexicans. Unfortunately the aforementioned scumbags only wanted to be able to say they had a nature trail so they didn't buy the next phase improvements which included "cool spots" with interpretation, etc. These were the same Disneyfied idiots who had a fake "Blackbeard's grave" but wouldn't admit that present day pirates were still crashing planes full of dope, all of which I wanted to make part of the story. SW
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