texascavers Digest 10 Jun 2013 18:47:20 -0000 Issue 1772
Topics (messages 21909 through 21914):
Re: Adobe Photoshop et al.
21909 by: Ted Samsel
21910 by: Louise Power
Sort of Kiwi Sink related
21911 by: David
KIWI SINK Dig
21912 by: Gill Edigar
21913 by: David
Re: Dave Gers
21914 by: Diana Tomchick
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GIMP is free... and the Help is much less cryptic than the words from
ADOBELAND. YMMV.
http://www.gimp.org/
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> David McKenzie has discovered that Adobe is giving away their entire CS2
> Creative Suite for free.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/**downloads/cs2_downloads/<http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/>
>
> Might be a good opportunity to try Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.
> without spending any money. Note the warnings at the top of the web page,
> though. For example, that version won't run on Macs with Intel processors
> unless they're also running an old enough version of OS-X to have the
> run-time interpreter for G4 code. No idea what problems might crop up with
> Windows versions less than seven years old (i.e., more recent than the
> middle Paleozoic). The current Adobe version of all that stuff is CS6.
>
> The rent-it-by-the-month deal for CS6 and beyond is not that bad, compared
> to what it would have cost to buy it. You download the programs and run
> them locally, as always, and store your files on your own disk. (They also
> provide a cloud and various collaboration tools for those into that sort of
> thing.) The programs just have to use the Internet once a month to verify
> that you're still paying. The serious problem is that if you stop paying,
> the programs stop working (assuming you haven't used some illegal hack that
> will no doubt appear), and any files you have stored in their proprietary
> formats will be unusable. You could still take them to somebody else who
> still has a subscription. Any files saved locally in common formats such as
> PDF, JPEG, HTML, or TIFF will of course still be good.--Mixon
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I read the warnings at the top of the page and unless you have a project
already created in this format, but not updated in a newer version, I think
you're better moving on. The warnings say (underlining mine):
Adobe has disabled the activation server for CS2 products, including Acrobat 7,
because of a technical issue. These products were released more than seven
years ago, do not run on many modern operating systems, and are no longer
supported.
Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software. The
serial numbers below should only be used by customers who legitimately
purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these
products.
You could end up screwing up what you already have. I realize creative suite is
expensive, but how valuable are your projects.
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:05:19 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Adobe Photoshop et al.
GIMP is free... and the Help is much less cryptic than the words from
ADOBELAND. YMMV.
http://www.gimp.org/
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
David McKenzie has discovered that Adobe is giving away their entire CS2
Creative Suite for free.
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/
Might be a good opportunity to try Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.
without spending any money. Note the warnings at the top of the web page,
though. For example, that version won't run on Macs with Intel processors
unless they're also running an old enough version of OS-X to have the run-time
interpreter for G4 code. No idea what problems might crop up with Windows
versions less than seven years old (i.e., more recent than the middle
Paleozoic). The current Adobe version of all that stuff is CS6.
The rent-it-by-the-month deal for CS6 and beyond is not that bad, compared to
what it would have cost to buy it. You download the programs and run them
locally, as always, and store your files on your own disk. (They also provide a
cloud and various collaboration tools for those into that sort of thing.) The
programs just have to use the Internet once a month to verify that you're still
paying. The serious problem is that if you stop paying, the programs stop
working (assuming you haven't used some illegal hack that will no doubt
appear), and any files you have stored in their proprietary formats will be
unusable. You could still take them to somebody else who still has a
subscription. Any files saved locally in common formats such as PDF, JPEG,
HTML, or TIFF will of course still be good.--Mixon
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I plan to set up camp a few hundred feet from Kiwi Sink tonight around
10:30 pm.
( Saturday June 8th )
If there is a dig tomorrow, I plan to dig hard all day.
I have an extra digging tool, and gloves, and a large ice- chest.
I am currently in Giddings and would like to jump in a river along the way.
David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
to do.
Diggers on site included:
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger
Ernie Garza
David Locklear
John Schneider
Visitors included:
Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
Jaime Brown
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I would just like to add some personal thoughts to Gill's post,
After taking a dinner break, there are now 3 barrels ready to haul out, and
2 medium size rocks ready to be tandemed-out.
My theory is the large rocks we are standing on now, are the orignal
ceiling of the room, which I think is what Gill is saying. But those
rocks are large and held together with a thick gritty clay, which takes
some patience at removing with a small pick-axe, before you can attempt to
pry the rock. But once you can get a choker strap around part of the rock,
then the gin-pole truck can dislodge it and then you can adjust the strap
and haul it out. So that is what Gill means by the floor excavation is
going faster. I have found prying the big rocks loose to be exhausting,
but Gil, Don, John, and Ernie, seem to do it without breaking a sweat.
My newly designed digging tool, did not work well in the clay, but I found
other uses for it, as it could smack hard rocks better than the lighter
tools. I ended up digging most of the day with a cheap hand-held pick-axe
that I got at Harbor Freight Tools.
The floor of the principal digging area is now about 10 feet in diameter
and relatively flat, with a couple of spots that are at least a foot or 2
deeper than the bottom of the ladder, in the area where the leads are, but
one of the holes is at least 4 feet deeper. The floor of the cave is
deep enough now, that if you set your camera on the floor pointed towards
the sky, you should be able to get a nice photo with a wide-angle lense.
If the ladder was not there, it would be an 18 foot rappel, at the moment,
but I think others believe it is going to be 28 feet when finished.
Ernie let me camp 2 nights. I slept on my cot under his big oak tree,
with just a cotton sheet rigged over a string. I got to relax there quiet
a bit, so that was awesome.
I did learn something new about caving on this trip, that is not in any
caving book - you truly have not caved with a person until that person has
released some spicy taco gas directly in your face.
David Locklear
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote:
> KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
> removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
> the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
> passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
> waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
> minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
> average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
> the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
> faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
> were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
> XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
> will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
> removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
> stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
> to do.
> Diggers on site included:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza
> David Locklear
> John Schneider
> Visitors included:
> Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
> Jaime Brown
>
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I found out about Dave Gers' passing while out of town this weekend. Dave was
one of the experienced cavers on my first caving trip (the others were Mike
Pearson and Phil Sanders) to Walkup Cave in the North Texas gypsum plain. Dave
was also the first person to take me on a geo-caching trip through some local
parks here in the DFW Metroplex. You could always count on having an
interesting conversation on just about any subject with Dave and he was always
generous with his time and knowledge. I lost touch with him in the last few
years as he stopped attending local grotto meetings, and I'm sad to know that
he's gone.
Diana
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5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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