texascavers Digest 9 Jun 2012 15:05:20 -0000 Issue 1572
Topics (messages 20162 through 20175):
Maya Maya Maya
20162 by: Mixon Bill
Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff
20163 by: Ted Samsel
Re: Karst Mexico / Looking for a PhD student
20164 by: Mark Minton
dinner
20165 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
20166 by: Leslie Bell
20167 by: freddie poer
20168 by: Stefan Creaser
20169 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
A little too close to home for comfort
20170 by: Louise Power
20173 by: freddie poer
ICS update and Face Book
20171 by: George Veni
Brno International Congress
20172 by: Mixon Bill
Justin Haynes
20174 by: Justin Haynes
20175 by: Mark Alman
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According to the cognoscente, the word is "Maya,' singular and plural,
noun and adjective. (Mayans is doubly wrong.) "Mayan" is used only for
the language or the "Mayanist." This is mostly honored in the breach,
but getting it right might just help convince the Maya gods to allow
us to exist beyond December. -- Mixon
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things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
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Fried avocados? Take your statins, please..
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>wrote:
> Oops, just noticed that this went only to me…****
>
> ** **
>
> Tommy Joe – can you make sure you send to the list.****
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> ** **
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> Cheers, Stefan****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Tommy Joe [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:00 PM
> *To:* Stefan Creaser
> *Subject:* Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff****
>
> ** **
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I left sea food off because it was the easiest to do and was going to let
> some one else have a go. The Mayans eat a lot of shell fish, crabs,
> oysters, muscles and shrimp. They made shallow water corals to herd
> mullets or what ever they could scare up in the flats, hence the shrimp and
> fish.
>
> I would rather stuff the avocados with shellfish and corn batter them. I
> would ask for a variance on the mayo, please. They had all the stuff but
> the oil for the time. I feel that the lighter taste of seafood would go
> better with the avacado. I can do a vege stuff with mushrooms too.
>
> Heather's dish sounds good, great site for the people on the fence.
> Stefan's thin sliced pork and chicken in ancho sauce sound good too.
>
> Tommy Joe
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2012 12:19 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: ****
>
> Yes, the list of preferred ingredients does look intimidating…****
>
> ****
>
> However, I haven’t seen a single recipe from anyone yet that we can
> critique, and even offer substitutes. ****
>
> ****
>
> Javelina ~= pig****
>
> Wild birds ~= chicken****
>
> Bison is not out of the question (with this much notice)****
>
> Noone, not even Tommy Joe, has mentioned fish.****
>
> ****
>
> Be creative!!****
>
> ****
>
> If people want boring, catered, food they can go to the TSA Spring
> Convention ;-) ****
>
> ****
>
> -Stefan****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Heather Tucek [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:12 AM
> *To:* Aimee Beveridge
> *Cc:* Tommy Joe; [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff****
>
> ****
>
> We can have vegetarian dishes without tofu... I doubt the Mayas would have
> had access to that, even after the intruders landed...
>
>
> -A veggie head that can't stand tofu. :)
>
>
>
> ****
>
> On 1 June 2012 23:36, Aimee Beveridge <[email protected]> wrote:****
>
> Tommy is right, let's not make this more difficult than it has to be.
> We're in the service of the cavers, why not give the people what they
> want.... beef, chicken and tofu with some exciting sides.
>
> My two centavos, aimee****
>
>
>
>
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> On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Tommy Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Using Pre-Columbian guide lines for Mayan food choices is really
> limiting. I question if Terry wants to make vegetarians out of all of us.
> Lets move the time line up to the time the white boys landing on the
> continent, there by increasing our food stock choices. Thank god they had
> avocados, I had a stuffed fried avocado the other day and it was gooood.
> >
> > If not, lets just make it a vegetarian feast. I do not believe that
> most of the cavers would like all the peppers we would use or that we will
> find meat of P-C origin we would like. Talking about dogs and green
> peaches.
> >
> > My recipe:
> > Avocado fried in corn oil with a thin maize coating stuffed with Terry's
> dog or turkey. Can I have a little cheese?????????????????please
> >
> > Tommy Joe
> >
> >
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> -Heather Tuček
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Possible karst hydrology research position:
From: "Droms, Yvonne" <[email protected]>
CC: RENARD Philippe <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:02:52 -0400
Subject: Karst Mexico / Looking for a PhD student
(Posted as a favor to my Swiss caver friends) - sorry for duplications
Anyone know of a qualified applicant who might be interested in
helping model karst in the Yucatan? See below,
Yvonne Droms
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Sujet: Looking for a PhD student
Date : Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:58:54 +0000
De : RENARD Philippe <[email protected]>
Dear colleagues,
I have a very exciting position for a new PhD project concerning the
modeling of a karstic system in Mexico. Can you please forward this
offer to potential candidates, display the attached advertisement in
your lab, and/or forward it to colleagues around you?
Thanks for your help !
Philippe Renard
PhD position in Neuchatel, Switzerland
Geometry, genesis and hydrodynamic of the Yucatan karstic system
You are a young scientist who wants to work on challenging
mathematical and numerical modeling
problems having a high societal impact. You do not want to model
things that you did not measure.
You do not want to collect data without doing the modeling. You are
not afraid of doing and learning
new things. You are able to defend your vision and you know that
making a step forward in sciences
requires hard work. Ideally, you have a master degree in earth or
environmental sciences,
computational sciences, physics, or applied mathematics. You have
good experimental capabilities
and can communicate easily in English.
The stochastic hydrogeology group (http://goo.gl/a9b4n) is a small
eclectic team (geologists,
engineers, mathematicians) within the University of Neuchatel. We
offer a friendly and effective
working environment settled in a beautiful landscape of lake and
mountains. The University hosts
about 4,000 students and is located in the French-speaking part of
Switzerland.
The project (3 years) aims at measuring, understanding and modeling
the geometry, genesis and
dynamic of groundwater flow in the karstic system of the Yucatan
peninsula. The measurements will
be performed in Mexico in close collaboration with geophysicists
from the Austrian Geological Survey
and local scientists. The modeling will include stochastic and
deterministic aspects (finite elements).
Uncertainty quantification will play a key role during the whole
project. The results will contribute to
provide a scientific basis for the protection of marine ecosystems
endangered by the possible
reinjection of wastewater into the karst due to urban development.
Applications must include a curriculum vitae, a complete academic
transcript including
undergraduate and graduate courses, copies of diploma/certificates,
contact information of 2-3
potential referees, a short description of research interests, and
should be sent to:
[email protected] as soon as possible. The selection of the
candidates will start in mid July,
to start as soon as possible but not later than December 2012.
Please reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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"Stefan's thin sliced pork and chicken in ancho sauce sound good too."
Why don't you dudes do diller as did the Mayans. I dang near live on
diller here in Florida. On the half shell is the way to go. Skinning the belly
hair is the only hard part. crust up salt and chili then slow cook over a
wood fire for four hours. I've seen judgmental lesbian vegans tear their bras
off over diller, claw at the empty shell until their fingers bleed.
SW
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I'm sure Vico could cook up some mean 'dillo....
Leslie Bell
--- On Thu, 6/7/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] dinner
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
"Stefan's thin sliced pork and chicken in ancho sauce sound good too."
Why don't you dudes do diller as did the Mayans. I dang near live on diller
here in Florida. On the half shell is the way to go. Skinning the belly hair is
the only hard part. crust up salt and chili then slow cook over a wood fire for
four hours. I've seen judgmental lesbian vegans tear their bras off over
diller, claw at the empty shell until their fingers bleed.
SW
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They got them there dillers in Florida? When I cooked 'em it took two butcher
knives and a can opener to clean 'em right. Maybe they grow 'em softer in
Florida.
--- On Thu, 6/7/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] dinner
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
"Stefan's thin sliced pork and chicken in ancho sauce sound good too."
Why don't you dudes do diller as did the Mayans. I dang near live on diller
here in Florida. On the half shell is the way to go. Skinning the belly hair is
the only hard part. crust up salt and chili then slow cook over a wood fire for
four hours. I've seen judgmental lesbian vegans tear their bras off over
diller, claw at the empty shell until their fingers bleed.
SW
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Oops, I sent to the wrong list!
Now y'all calm down and let us sort this all out ;-)
-Stefan
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From: freddie poer [[email protected]]
Sent: 07 June 2012 22:39
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] dinner
They got them there dillers in Florida? When I cooked 'em it took two butcher
knives and a can opener to clean 'em right. Maybe they grow 'em softer in
Florida.
--- On Thu, 6/7/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] dinner
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
"Stefan's thin sliced pork and chicken in ancho sauce sound good too."
Why don't you dudes do diller as did the Mayans. I dang near live on diller
here in Florida. On the half shell is the way to go. Skinning the belly hair is
the only hard part. crust up salt and chili then slow cook over a wood fire for
four hours. I've seen judgmental lesbian vegans tear their bras off over
diller, claw at the empty shell until their fingers bleed.
SW
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They are unbelievably common in Florida wherever there is sand, and due to
global warming they and fire ants have made it all the way up to Tennessee.
First you have to catch the diller. I say catch rather than shoot because
you don't want to mess up the built in soup bowl. The simplest way to catch
them is just to place a large double ended trap in the middle of their
trail with a short section of garden fencing on either side to steer them in
the right direction. No bait is needed. Best of all, after the trap has once
held a diller it is prescented to encourage others.
Once you have one in the trap shoot it in the head with a 22. Don't shoot
it until you are ready to skin it because once rigor mortis sets in the
whole thing becomes much more difficult.
Remember, your diller has never taken a bath and may be carrying leprosy,
so I recommend rubber gloves, a good brush, and a liberal application of
chlorox based kitchen cleanser while the diller bathes in a wheelbarrow.
Now for the hard part. Every part of the outside of a diller is
unbelievably tough, and that includes the belly skin which you must remove. The
problem is that the diller is shaped like a football and won't hold still even
after it is dead which greatly increases the chance that you will cut off
several of your fingers in the process. You will need loppers to cut off the
head, feet, and part of the tail, a short razor sharp knife, and pliers. Be
careful not to injure the shell in any way. The diller remains in it's
shell until dinner is complete.
I have set up a pro diller skinning station which consists of an upright
stump, on the top of which I have nailed two short strips of 2x4 about five
inches apart so the upturned diller will stay in one place.
Then I drill four small holes in the edge of the shell next to the four
legs. These provide anchor points so that I can use ratcheting straps to
stretch out the diller much as on a medieval torture rack. Then the
interrogation begins. The dillers can't move, so they invariably admit to
being Jews.
Then begins the laborious process of cutting off the belly skin. Be sure to
avoid the anal glands, and try not to cut into the bladder or peritoneum.
As with people, the females are more tender and juicy than the males. What
would you rather eat, me, or a thirteen year old corn fed trailer girl from
Iowa who spends all day on a couch watching TV?
Use the loppers again to cut through the sternum and pelvis, then pull out
the guts and chuck them into your neighbor's yard.
Hose out all the blood and diller shit, then you are ready to BBQ! You
could freeze it but fresh is best!
Thickly crust all exposed flesh with garlic salt and chili powder. Then
place the diller upside down in a baking pan and slow cook over a wood fire
for about four hours. I always use a roofing tin tent to keep in the smoke.
The diller will stew in its own juices which is why it is essential not to
damage the shell.
If you follow these instructions you will have the best meal of your entire
life. The meat just inside the shell is the best of all.
The only thing on earth tastier than a diller is a gibnut, also known as a
tepesquintle, but that is a story for another day.
Sleazeweazel
In a message dated 6/7/2012 11:39:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
They got them there dillers in Florida? When I cooked 'em it took two
butcher knives and a can opener to clean 'em right. Maybe they grow 'em softer
in Florida.
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Next thing you know they'll be coming to Carta Valley events.
Fourteen dismembered bodies found in truck in northern Mexico
MEXICO CITY — Fourteen dismembered bodies were found in a truck in the center
of a town in northern Mexico on Thursday in what appeared to be the latest
atrocity committed by rival gangs battling over drug-smuggling routes, local
media said.
The bodies of 11 men and three women were discovered in the sugar-cane farming
town of Ciudad Mante in the south of Tamaulipas state, which borders on Texas,
daily Milenio reported on its website.
Officials at the state attorney general's office could not immediately confirm
the report. Tamaulipas has been one of the bloodiest battlegrounds in Mexico's
drug war.
More than 55,000 people have been killed in the conflict since President Felipe
Calderon sent in the army to fight drug gangs shortly after he took office in
December 2006.
Calderon's conservative National Action Party, or PAN, looks likely to lose
power in the presidential election on July 1, due partly to rising frustration
with the violence.
The government has blamed the turf wars between the brutal Zetas gang, founded
by army deserters, and the Sinaloa cartel of Mexico's most-wanted man, Joaquin
"Shorty" Guzman, for an escalation of killings in recent weeks.
Suspected drug cartel killers dumped 49 decapitated and dismembered bodies on a
highway near the affluent northern city of Monterrey in May. Days before, 18
mutilated bodies were found near Mexico's second-largest city, Guadalajara.
At the beginning of May, the bodies of nine people were hung from a bridge and
14 other dismembered victims were found in the city of Nuevo Laredo, also in
Tamaulipas state and just across the border from Laredo, Texas.
Seven people were wounded on Thursday, including a boy who was seriously hurt,
when a male suspect threw a grenade into a restaurant in the town of Amecameca
outside Mexico City, a state of Mexico official said.
Authorities are investigating a possible extortion attempt against the business
as well as the conflict between two gangs in the area, she said.
Copyright 2012 Thomson Reuters.
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Here we go again. More fearmongering by people who do not travel to Mexico.
Read these articles carefully. The deceased are members of rival drug gangs.
THEY ARE NOT HUNTING AMERICAN CAVERS IN MEXICO! This particular thread was put
to rest not too long ago. It really is not cave related, no cavers have ever
been lost in Mexico to drug related violence. Unfortunately some people who are
scared by what the media spews, choose to try and spread their fears to others.
I still travel to Mexico a lot, as do several other people I know. None of the
people I know has ever been in a situation they thought was life threatening,
unless you count the actual caving. If you are scared of Mexico, then don't go.
If you are not scared of Mexico, then it is an extremely beautiful place with
endless caving possibilities, and some of the nicest, most hospitable people I
have ever met.
--- On Fri, 6/8/12, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Louise Power <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] A little too close to home for comfort
To: "Texas Cavers" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 11:12 AM
Next thing you know they'll be coming to Carta Valley events.
Fourteen dismembered bodies found in truck in northern Mexico
MEXICO CITY — Fourteen dismembered bodies were found in a truck in the center
of a town in northern Mexico on Thursday in what appeared to be the latest
atrocity committed by rival gangs battling over drug-smuggling routes, local
media said.
The bodies of 11 men and three women were discovered in the sugar-cane farming
town of Ciudad Mante in the south of Tamaulipas state, which borders on Texas,
daily Milenio reported on its website.
Officials at the state attorney general's office could not immediately confirm
the report. Tamaulipas has been one of the bloodiest battlegrounds in Mexico's
drug war.
More than 55,000 people have been killed in the conflict since President Felipe
Calderon sent in the army to fight drug gangs shortly after he took office in
December 2006.
Calderon's conservative National Action Party, or PAN, looks likely to lose
power in the presidential election on July 1, due partly to rising frustration
with the violence.
The government has blamed the turf wars between the brutal Zetas gang, founded
by army deserters, and the Sinaloa cartel of Mexico's most-wanted man, Joaquin
"Shorty" Guzman, for an escalation of killings in recent weeks.
Suspected drug cartel killers dumped 49 decapitated and dismembered bodies on
a highway near the affluent northern city of Monterrey in May. Days before, 18
mutilated bodies were found near Mexico's second-largest city, Guadalajara.
At the beginning of May, the bodies of nine people were hung from a bridge and
14 other dismembered victims were found in the city of Nuevo Laredo, also in
Tamaulipas state and just across the border from Laredo, Texas.
Seven people were wounded on Thursday, including a boy who was seriously hurt,
when a male suspect threw a grenade into a restaurant in the town of Amecameca
outside Mexico City, a state of Mexico official said.
Authorities are investigating a possible extortion attempt against the business
as well as the conflict between two gangs in the area, she said.
Copyright 2012 Thomson Reuters.
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The second circular for next year's International Congress of Speleology is
now posted. I was a little too fast in announcing it yesterday. You can find
and download it at http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/circulars
For those of you who enjoy Face Book, the International Union of Speleology
has just launched a Face Book site. How recently do I mean by "just
launched"? Only seven people are signed up so far. I just got word of it a
few minutes ago. If you are interested, check out:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/303270303088276/
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]
www.nckri.org
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I see in the second circular about the 2013 ICS in the Czech Republic
that among the anniversaries celebrated there in 2013 is the 860th
anniversary of the bestowal of town privileges on Brno by King Václav
I in 1243. Makes you think about how scanty recorded history is over
here (except by the Maya). It also suggests that somebody is
arithmetically challenged...-- Mixon
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I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.
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List -
I just joined this mailing list recently and went to a UT Grotto meeting in
Austin, Tx where I live. So I thought I'd introduce myself, as this list seems
to have a fair amount of traffic about caving and related activities.
Hi!
I've just started caving and intend to get to know my local community here in
austin.
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Welcome aboard, Justin!
CaveTex here is a very good resource, for the most part, although, it
occasionally devolves into a he said/she said bit of nonsensical
"gotta-be-rightus" from a very few folks over irrelevant minutiae.
Caving does slow down during the summer, but, picks back up in the fall.
Stay patient here and make liberal use of the "delete" button, and visit the
TSA website at cavetexas.org (join while you're there!) or the UT Grotto
website at utgrotto.org to stay informed and up-to-date as to what's going on
in the state.
You're in a great location, with an active grotto and some superb cavers
willing to work with new members, specifically, Matt Turner and Heather Tucek.
I'm also one of the project leaders for the Longhorn Caverns State Park
project, which starts back up in October. Come on out for a great cave,
excellent caver camaraderie and a guaranteed fun time or double your money back!
Glad to have you as a member of the Texas caving community and hope to meet you
soon!
Later,
Mark Alman
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From: Justin Haynes <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Justin Haynes
List -
I just joined this mailing list recently and went to a UT Grotto meeting in
Austin, Tx where I live. So I thought I'd introduce myself, as this list seems
to have a fair amount of traffic about caving and related activities.
Hi!
I've just started caving and intend to get to know my local community here in
austin.
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