texascavers Digest 1 Dec 2011 02:20:11 -0000 Issue 1445
Topics (messages 19127 through 19131):
Re: 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
19127 by: Julia Germany
19129 by: Julia Germany
19130 by: Fritz Holt
19131 by: Jerry
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19128 by: Mixon Bill
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Or/also in a cave!
I like Cave Without A Name.......
-----Original Message-----
From: ryan monjaras <[email protected]>
Cc: texas cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:25 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in.
"Semper Exploro"
Ryan Monjaras
Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
UT Grotto
Bexar Grotto
(832)754-5778
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
>From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution:
Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar
year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a
regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record.
TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of
all TSA members.
Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule
another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or
an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!).
As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to
reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for
2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I
haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must
take place?
As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy
of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make
sure you are following the rules of your by-laws.
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: JerryAtkin <[email protected]>
To: ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership
meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring
Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another
meeting to comply with the Bylaws ?
Jerry.
In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that "Alman asked if people
think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the
fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business
Meeting. Seconded and motion carried".
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Well, that clears up everything.
So - three meetings were held in 2011.
And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012.
Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws
concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012.
Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark!
And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and
preferably in a cave.........
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: Julia Germany <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Yes and yes.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I'm getting confused.
So, you did have three meetings in 2011?
So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: Julia Germany <[email protected]>; JerryAtkin <[email protected]>;
ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
>From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution:
Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar
year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a
regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record.
TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of
all TSA members.
Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule
another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or
an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!).
As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to
reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for
2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I
haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must
take place?
As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy
of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make
sure you are following the rules of your by-laws.
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: JerryAtkin <[email protected]>
To: ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership
meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring
Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another
meeting to comply with the Bylaws ?
Jerry.
In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that "Alman asked if people
think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the
fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business
Meeting. Seconded and motion carried".
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I second it.
________________________________
From: ryan monjaras [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in.
"Semper Exploro"
Ryan Monjaras
Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
UT Grotto
Bexar Grotto
(832)754-5778
________________________________
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
>From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution:
Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar
year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a
regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record.
TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of
all TSA members.
Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule
another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or
an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!).
As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to
reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for
2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I
haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must
take place?
As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy
of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make
sure you are following the rules of your by-laws.
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: JerryAtkin <[email protected]>
To: ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership
meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring
Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another
meeting to comply with the Bylaws ?
Jerry.
In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes:
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that "Alman asked if people
think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the
fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business
Meeting. Seconded and motion carried".
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It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a
TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because "it was close to
both the fall and spring meetings". The Winter meeting introduces the new
officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities
of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early
on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring
Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought.
..... sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much
thought..... just convenience ....
Jerry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julia Germany <[email protected]>
To: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>; Texascavers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, that clears up everything.
So - three meetings were held in 2011.
And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012.
Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws
concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012.
Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark!
And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and
preferably in a cave.........
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: Julia Germany <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Yes and yes.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I'm getting confused.
So, you did have three meetings in 2011?
So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: Julia Germany <[email protected]>; JerryAtkin <[email protected]>;
ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
>From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution:
Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar
year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a
regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record.
TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of
all TSA members.
Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule
another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or
an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!).
As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to
reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for
2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I
haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must
take place?
As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy
of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make
sure you are following the rules of your by-laws.
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: JerryAtkin <[email protected]>
To: ellie.thoene <[email protected]>; trhli <[email protected]>
Cc: texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership
meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring
Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another
meeting to comply with the Bylaws ?
Jerry.
In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that "Alman asked if people
think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the
fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business
Meeting. Seconded and motion carried".
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I should have mentioned that Carl Kunath and Jerry Atkinson assembled
that nice anniversary issue. -- Mixon
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