texascavers Digest 18 Jan 2012 15:49:30 -0000 Issue 1475
Topics (messages 19339 through 19347):
Re: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
19339 by: Tim Stich
19343 by: Lissa Talkington
19346 by: caverarch
19347 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
waterproofing
19340 by: Mixon Bill
19341 by: Fofo
19342 by: George Veni
Re: 2011 TSA Financial Information
19344 by: Scott Boyd
Werker update
19345 by: George Veni
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The very act of sending money to the infernal Church of the Subgenius makes
you an ordained minister in that blasphemous faith, which as I understand
it also makes me a possible minister. I have long ago lost the
documentation, so I still retain "plausible deniability." Ediger can
confirm this.
-Tim
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, russ johnson <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> Bill, Gil, Jean, Jim, George, Natasha, enough for a serious exorcism I
> reggon.
>
> Russ, Llano.
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Natasha Glasgow <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I am as well!
>>
>> *From:* Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
>> *To:* [email protected]; Lissa Talkington <[email protected]>;
>> [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:08 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
>>
>> Sorry Bill! Good to know that!
>>
>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:05 AM
>> *To:* Jim Kennedy; Lissa Talkington; [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Russ K. Johnson
> Llano, TX
>
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Thanks for all the responses! Well I asked the hubby to be.. and he said he'd
love to "make it official" in a cave.. but not in Feb. we are thinking about
St. Patty's Day.. Would anyone be able/available to arrange a trip to Honey
Creek or some Austin area cave on 3/17/12 and would one of you awesome ordained
people be able to attend if we got it all worked out!? =)
From: russ johnson <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
Bill, Gil, Jean, Jim, George, Natasha, enough for a serious exorcism I reggon.
Russ, Llano.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Natasha Glasgow <[email protected]>
wrote:
I am as well!
>
>
>From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]; Lissa Talkington <[email protected]>;
>[email protected]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:08 AM
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
>
>
>
>Sorry Bill! Good to know that!
>
>From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:05 AM
>To: Jim Kennedy; Lissa Talkington; [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
>
>Me too.
>
>
>
--
Russ K. Johnson
Llano, TX
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Mark, Gill and I (and maybe George) became "ordained" by the Universal Life
Church back in the late Sixties for the price of a small, volunteer donation.
The church was set up - or at least attempted to be used, but unsuccessfully -
as a draft-dodging tool under the draft laws of that Viet Nam time.
I joined out of general religous/anti-religious contrariness, as did many
others, after it was apparent this ordination was useless for avoiding the
draft. But it remained popular with 20-something curmudgeons like myself for
some years thereafter. Our intent is now fulfilled for the general
curmudgeonly public by such better elaborated theologies for deities such as
Bob and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Oztotl arose from the mists of the Mayan
past for Texas cavers around the same as our ordination, and in Florida we were
promoting The Great Newt as a caver deity.
I prefer to think of the status as "insub-ordination."
Roger Moore
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From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: George D. Nincehelser <[email protected]>; caverarch
<[email protected]>
Cc: jkennedy <[email protected]>; lissa_000777 <[email protected]>;
Texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:14 am
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
To all of us fellow unwashed and clueless folks out here,
What are y’all talking about?!
Signed, Curious a.k.a Mark A.
From: George D.Nincehelser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM
To: caverarch
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected];[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
[I'm rejoining the list after years of being absent]
I'm one.
I'm not savvy on all the details, but there was ruckus amongthe leadership a
while back. Some records were lost.
If you're unsure of your credentials, you should verify themnow before you
really need them.
I'm not sure if the schism has healed or not.
George
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM, caverarch <[email protected]> wrote:
I,too, have an old Universal Life Church ordination certificate obtained
duringmy undergraduate days, but god know how long it would take me to find it!
Roger Moore
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From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
To: Lissa Talkington <[email protected]>;Texascavers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:57 am
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
There are at least three that I know of. Myself, GillEdiger, and Jean Krejca.
--- Jim “Crash” Kennedy
From: Lissa Talkington [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12
Is anyone in this crewOrdained? Or have whatever legal requirement there is to
Officiate amarriage ? =p
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Praise Bob and thanks to Roger, we now have an answer.
I used to have a Church of The SubGenius t-shirt with Bob on the front with his
always present pipe and omnipotent smile.
I think my kids stole it.
Somewhere, I have a picture of myself wearing said shirt while posing in front
of the Eiffel Tower.
Doing my part to spread the Gospel of Bob and to instill the Art of Slack while
I was in Europe.
Thanks for the Enlightenment (and memories!),
Mark
From: caverarch [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:38 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
Mark, Gill and I (and maybe George) became "ordained" by the Universal Life
Church back in the late Sixties for the price of a small, volunteer donation.
The church was set up - or at least attempted to be used, but unsuccessfully -
as a draft-dodging tool under the draft laws of that Viet Nam time.
I joined out of general religous/anti-religious contrariness, as did many
others, after it was apparent this ordination was useless for avoiding the
draft. But it remained popular with 20-something curmudgeons like myself for
some years thereafter. Our intent is now fulfilled for the general
curmudgeonly public by such better elaborated theologies for deities such as
Bob and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Oztotl arose from the mists of the Mayan
past for Texas cavers around the same as our ordination, and in Florida we were
promoting The Great Newt as a caver deity.
I prefer to think of the status as "insub-ordination."
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Alman <[email protected]>
To: George D. Nincehelser <[email protected]>; caverarch
<[email protected]>
Cc: jkennedy <[email protected]>; lissa_000777 <[email protected]>;
Texascavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:14 am
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
To all of us fellow unwashed and clueless folks out here,
What are y’all talking about?!
Signed, Curious a.k.a Mark A.
From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]?> ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM
To: caverarch
Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
[I'm rejoining the list after years of being absent]
I'm one.
I'm not savvy on all the details, but there was ruckus among the leadership a
while back. Some records were lost.
If you're unsure of your credentials, you should verify them now before you
really need them.
I'm not sure if the schism has healed or not.
George
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM, caverarch <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
I, too, have an old Universal Life Church ordination certificate obtained
during my undergraduate days, but god know how long it would take me to find
it!
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
To: Lissa Talkington <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >;
Texascavers <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:57 am
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
There are at least three that I know of. Myself, Gill Ediger, and Jean Krejca.
--- Jim “Crash” Kennedy
From: Lissa Talkington [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]?> ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:47 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12
Is anyone in this crew Ordained? Or have whatever legal requirement there is
to Officiate a marriage ? =p
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One wonders how that waterproofing "nano-sized armor" that "bonds
molecularly" to your device allows the various connectors to still
work. -- Mixon
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I saw the video on their website about how they apply the treatment
(vacuum deposition, from what they show), and I wondered also how they
manage to waterproof the speakers, connectors, around the "home" button,
etc. But they do show videos of a working phone being submerged in
water. I'm very curious about this!
- Fofo
Mixon Bill wrote, on 17/1/12 9:50 :
One wonders how that waterproofing "nano-sized armor" that "bonds
molecularly" to your device allows the various connectors to still work.
-- Mixon
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What I didn't see on the website that left me curious was if the treatment
would affect the optics in a Disto or a camera, or if the higher energy/heat
in strobes would destroy or damage the coating. In any case, it is pretty
cool and a movement in the right direction for cavers' needs.
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]
www.nckri.org
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From: Fofo [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] waterproofing
I saw the video on their website about how they apply the treatment (vacuum
deposition, from what they show), and I wondered also how they manage to
waterproof the speakers, connectors, around the "home" button, etc. But they
do show videos of a working phone being submerged in water. I'm very curious
about this!
- Fofo
Mixon Bill wrote, on 17/1/12 9:50 :
> One wonders how that waterproofing "nano-sized armor" that "bonds
> molecularly" to your device allows the various connectors to still work.
> -- Mixon
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> The world did not end yesterday, as I had predicted. I regret any
> inconvenience.
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Don't forget about those corporate caver-jets I saw the last time I went
thru Austin - they burn a lot of fuel you know!
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Michael Cicherski <[email protected]>wrote:
<snip-snip>
> I've recommended that we immediately cut the pay of all Officers in half,
> and the Presidential Limo will need to be parked until we recoup the losses
> from 2011.
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I got off the phone with Val Hildreth-Werker a couple of hours ago. She is
fine. She walked away from the accident with a bruised toe and a scrape.
Jim's injuries were much worst. It will take multiple surgeries to repair
the damage to his leg and that from his lost arm. He had his second surgery
today. He is in ICU in El Paso and for the moment the signs are positive,
relative to his condition, for a good recovery. But all optimism at this
point should be tempered with caution and realism until his condition is
further stabilized and the full degree of his injuries understood.
Val told me she has been getting lots of calls from family and friends. She
greatly appreciates them but it is all a bit overwhelming. She has someone
helping her as a point-of-contact to share news with family. She asked if I
would be willing to serve as the point-of-contact for caving friends. Of
course I'll do whatever I can to help her. So this message is to give a
broad update to the people and caving lists I know have heard the news of
her and Jim's car accident, but also to ask that if you want more
information, do not contact Val for the short-term but to contact me. She'll
call me every few days with news as she has time and energy. I'll then share
it with those people who have contacted me. Some of you have already asked
me for updates. You don't need to ask again; you are on the list. Some of
you have asked for an address to send cards and best wishes. Val will send
me an address once Jim is out of ICU. If she needs help with anything, I'll
let you know.
Again, Val greatly appreciates the outpouring of support and love. I think
everyone can understand that she needs time to focus on Jim for a while and
to get their lives back on track, so please contact me rather than her for
the immediate future. I'll send you updates whenever I have them.
Thanks,
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]
www.nckri.org
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