texascavers Digest 23 Jan 2012 22:34:27 -0000 Issue 1478

Topics (messages 19374 through 19381):

Re: Any caving trips in Austin this Saturday?
        19374 by: caverarch.aol.com

Re: calendars of events
        19375 by: Gary Franklin

Prehistoric cave bears found in Mexican cenote
        19376 by: Mark Minton

Re: Ministers: Any successful in-cave marriages?
        19377 by: Don Cooper
        19378 by: Mark Minton
        19381 by: caverarch

Latest WNS Reports
        19379 by: Mark Minton

scientific paper on Colorado Bend cave
        19380 by: Mixon Bill

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No prospects from me. I just arrived at the Swamp bearing a new water heater to 
install tomorrow. I hope you found something epic to do.

Roger

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Mallory Mayeux <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm toying with coming into Austin on Saturday...any epic caving/adventures 
> around town I could get in with?
>  
> (Confidential to Andy Z: I'm bringing your Pantin!) :)
>  
> Mallory

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Mixon,

UT Grotto Calendar lists our events and those of interest to our members.
 All events sent to our webmaster [email protected] or mentioned at
our meetings are posted promptly.
We are not the sole source for every caving activity out there.

There are other forums where caving information are listed where you
obviously have the time to review daily, yet refuse to post or request its
posting.  If you are unhappy and unwilling to contribute in a positive
manner, that is just too bad.

The rest of you, come check out how kick ass and fun the UT Grotto meetings
are.
UT Grotto elections are at the next meeting where any of you willing and
able can step up to continue in our 60+ year tradition of caving, fun, and
fellowship.


Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice-Chair and Program Organizer
512-585-6057
www.utgrotto.org
[email protected]



On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]>wrote:

> Would someone who is willing to spend two minutes a day looking at the
> posts to the Texas Cavers e-mail list like to take on maintaining the UT
> Grotto calendar on its web site? As usual, during our most recent meeting
> several upcoming caving trips that have been announced there were mentioned
> during the meeting but are nowhere to be found on the alleged grotto
> calendar of coming events. (The same goes for parties, but parties should
> be posted on the calendar only in collaboration with their hosts.)
>
> Meanwhile, don't just look at utgrotto.org, but also at the calendar on
> the TSA web site at 
> http://www.cavetexas.org/**calendar/index.php<http://www.cavetexas.org/calendar/index.php>(or
>  just
> www.cavetexas.org and click calendar). -- Mixon
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--- Begin Message --- Jim Coke sent this link to a news story on cave bear remains found in a Mexican cenote: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16632419>.

Mark Minton

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I believe, that due to planar topological relations to all parties
involved, a non-resolving dimensional instability begins to resonate
between two sexual partners who undergo a social ceremony while inside
a hole.  That resonance creates frionic irritation within the medula
oblongata - totally wrecking the peace, love and happiness which
otherwise would have possibly bonded such a couple.
-DC

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Frank Binney <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
> I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
> Reverend Ediger or other ordained cavers but as far as I recall all ended in
> divorce.
> --Frank
>
>
> On 1/18/12 9:02 AM, "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In April of 1969, just before or just after a trip to Golondrinas, I
>> sent in a 6-cent postcard with my and Jette Feduska's names and
>> addresses on it--no money, no nuthin else--and received our
>> ordinations in the Universal Life Church a few days later. For 3-cents
>> I got ordained. Carta Valley SUCKS was in full swing at the time and I
>> performed baptisms at several caver functions ranging from State
>> College, Pennsylvania to California (and an NSS BOG party in Buda)
>> with water from Oztotl's Cave in Mexico provided by the Bittingers. In
>> the early '80s I joined the rabble at the Church of the Sub-Genius as
>> the Rev Theophilus Punnoval and still have and wear my Bob Dobbs shirt
>> (printed in my silk screen shop at Mockingburd 300). I've probably
>> done something somewhat fewer than 30 weddings in all--a few in caves,
>> on mountain tops and rivers, and on rope high up a cliff.
>>
>> --Ediger
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--- Begin Message --- Another continuing and successful in-cave marriage is Ed and Marianne Saugstadt. I just went caving with Ed last weekend, and he's 70 years old!

Mark Minton

At 01:13 PM 1/18/2012, Wm Shrewsbury wrote:
Carolina and I were married (by a caver preacher) in Cumberland Caverns
(their first wedding, it's on their website) back in 2000 right before their
annual Christmas Party for Cavers (500 of your best friends present and we
the evening meal was taken care of!)

We just celebrated our 11th anniversary and are still madly in love with
each other.  Looking forward to a few more decades!

Wm Shrewsbury

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:50 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Mark Alman
Cc: caverarch; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Ministers: Any successful in-cave marriages?

Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
Reverend Ediger or other ordained cavers but as far as I recall all ended in
divorce.
--Frank

On 1/18/12 9:02 AM, "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In April of 1969, just before or just after a trip to Golondrinas, I
> sent in a 6-cent postcard with my and Jette Feduska's names and
> addresses on it--no money, no nuthin else--and received our
> ordinations in the Universal Life Church a few days later. For 3-cents
> I got ordained. Carta Valley SUCKS was in full swing at the time and I
> performed baptisms at several caver functions ranging from State
> College, Pennsylvania to California (and an NSS BOG party in Buda)
> with water from Oztotl's Cave in Mexico provided by the Bittingers. In
> the early '80s I joined the rabble at the Church of the Sub-Genius as
> the Rev Theophilus Punnoval and still have and wear my Bob Dobbs shirt
> (printed in my silk screen shop at Mockingburd 300). I've probably
> done something somewhat fewer than 30 weddings in all--a few in caves,
> on mountain tops and rivers, and on rope high up a cliff.
>
> --Ediger

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Don and all,


It is my hypothesis simply that (1) approximately 95% of cavers are inherently 
naughty to a greater or lesser (but mostly greater) degree, and therefore 
predisposed to some degree of core drama reaction; (2) a critical mass of 
naughtiness necessary to begin a spontaneous, self-sustaining  total drama 
meltdown is not generally achieved in caver-to-caver marriages, at least during 
the first half-life (six months) of the marriage; (3) the cumulative time 
factor is altered, however, if the bonding ceremony takes place underground.  
Such an underground transaction tends to enrich the naughty isotope to an 
inherently unstable level in one or both parties, leading to an 
alcohol-lubricated cascading series of unions that result in a 
daisy-chain-reaction meltdown.


All these effects can be ameliorated, however, by lead underpants for both 
parties.


Roger



-----Original Message-----
From: Don Cooper <[email protected]>
To: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
Cc: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:10 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ministers: Any successful in-cave marriages?


I believe, that due to planar topological relations to all parties
involved, a non-resolving dimensional instability begins to resonate
between two sexual partners who undergo a social ceremony while inside
a hole.  That resonance creates frionic irritation within the medula
oblongata - totally wrecking the peace, love and happiness which
otherwise would have possibly bonded such a couple.
-DC

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Frank Binney <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
> I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
> Reverend Ediger or other ordained cavers but as far as I recall all ended in
> divorce.
> --Frank
>
>
> On 1/18/12 9:02 AM, "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In April of 1969, just before or just after a trip to Golondrinas, I
>> sent in a 6-cent postcard with my and Jette Feduska's names and
>> addresses on it--no money, no nuthin else--and received our
>> ordinations in the Universal Life Church a few days later. For 3-cents
>> I got ordained. Carta Valley SUCKS was in full swing at the time and I
>> performed baptisms at several caver functions ranging from State
>> College, Pennsylvania to California (and an NSS BOG party in Buda)
>> with water from Oztotl's Cave in Mexico provided by the Bittingers. In
>> the early '80s I joined the rabble at the Church of the Sub-Genius as
>> the Rev Theophilus Punnoval and still have and wear my Bob Dobbs shirt
>> (printed in my silk screen shop at Mockingburd 300). I've probably
>> done something somewhat fewer than 30 weddings in all--a few in caves,
>> on mountain tops and rivers, and on rope high up a cliff.
>>
>> --Ediger
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--- Begin Message --- The latest USFWS report on WNS: <http://us.vocuspr.com/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=fws&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=129322&XSL=PressRelease&Cache=True>

There is also an interview with USFWS personnel about WNS on Vermont Public Radio at <http://www.vpr.net/episode/52805/white-nose-syndrome-developments/>, first segment in the program. Some bats seem to be surviving the disease.

Mark Minton (forwarded from SWR list)

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--- Begin Message --- Don't recall seeing this mentioned here before, but I might have forgotten:

A Comparatived Integrated Geophysical Study of Horseshoe Chimney Cave, Colorado Bend State Park, Texas, by Wesley Brown, Kevin Stafford, Mindy Shaw-Faulkner, and Andy Grubbs, International Journal of Speleology 40(1)9-16, 2011. Full text free at
http://www.ijs.speleo.it/pdf/74.604.40(1)_Brown.et.al.pdf

--Mixon
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