texascavers Digest 31 Jan 2012 19:58:26 -0000 Issue 1484
Topics (messages 19427 through 19435):
Re: new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
19427 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
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19428 by: W. Peplinski
19429 by: Rd
19430 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your Trip Reports Are?!
19431 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
19432 by: Candiss Everett
19433 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
19434 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
19435 by: DON ARBURN
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Here, here, Andy!
My kids and I volunteer at two parks, CBSP and Longhorn Caverns, and all of
them are appreciative and can use the help!
Mark
From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:32 AM
To: 'caverarch'; [email protected]; Fritz Holt
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
Why not volunteer, Fritz? There are several state parks within a short
distance of your new home. All of them could use some help. Or, if your knees
aren't up to it, get out your checkbook. Parks is only $4M short at this
point. Parks has been hit hard but my division (Wildlife) has also taken some
big hits lately. We took 20% staff cuts last year and now we aren't allowed to
spend any of the money that is supposedly sitting in the coffers. Things are
going to get much worse before they get better and we need any kind of help we
can get.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
To: "'caverarch'" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 10:19 AM
My comment on the culverts was one of uninformed conclusion. Admittedly I
didn’t consider the fire debris but I must wonder what condition the culverts
were in before the fires. Had they been asked, I would believe that many would
have volunteered to help or do such chores and maintenance in our beloved and
(once) beautiful state park(s). Thank goodness the treasured CCC built
structures were saved. Texas has many thousands of birders (and not all are
senior citizens) and nature enthusiasts who would enjoy working on behalf of
TP&W. I am in the process of buying acreage property five miles NE of Dripping
Springs which is about 25 minutes from my daughter’s home on 2244. When I drive
to Austin it is heartbreaking to see the devastation to the forest and homes
just east of Bastrop . It confirms my belief that I never want to be without
property insurance. It was not my intent to imply neglect on the part of TP&W
employees. I hold them in high regard for doing an often thankless job.
Fritz
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From: caverarch [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:15 AM
To: [email protected] ; Fritz Holt
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
Fritz, I imagine that the Bastrop State Park soils, laid bare of vegetation by
the fire and no longer held in place by living root systems, was easy to erode,
as well, in such a deluge.
But while Logan is right that no amount of volunteers could have averted this
particular disaster, I think he would also agree that our parks are all
deteriorating in a less dramatic but inevitable fashion due to gutting of the
state parks staffs and maintenance funds all across the state.
Roger Moore
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From: Logan McNatt < [email protected] >
To: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Cc: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
Fritz,
Joe Datri posted a good photo of the sinkhole on the U.T. Grotto Facebook page.
A lot of dirt and rubble in the bottom to be removed. Cavers are working on
getting permission to enter. I hope the city or whoever is in charge decides
to leave it open, but I have no idea what will happen.
Regarding the culverts at Bastrop State Park , the staff is short-handed and
dealing with layoffs and budget cutbacks as are most of the state parks. Not
to mention the drought and one of the worst fires in Texas history. Even if
they had an army of volunteers to clean out all the culverts after the fire,
enough pine needles and other debris have fallen that the culverts would have
clogged up again very quickly during the deluge.
On 1/30/2012 12:13 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
May this sinkhole be currently viewed? Will this water quality pond be repaired
or allowed to remain as a recharge circuit to the aquifer?
Whether it would have averted the problem or not, it seems the park authorities
should have forseen this possibility and kept the culverts clear of debris.
Fritz, with hindsight
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From: Logan McNatt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:49 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
Thanks to Peter Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information;
original source unknown. The early morning storm of Jan 25th dumped 5 to 7
inches of rain over much of Travis and Bastrop counties in 6 to 10 hours. I
didn't see anything in the news about this sinkhole.
The huge water quality pond located at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor
Trails" (inc. Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to empty during this
morning's storm. Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was
leaking. Few storms had tested the pond over the last few months, but this one
clearly revealed the issue. The liner gave way (split) to reveal a large
sinkhole which slurped down all the water. Musta been one helluva whirlpool.
(not cave related) Bastrop State Park got hit real hard by the storm because
the fire removed all the ground cover. The old Civilian Conservation Corps
culverts had gotten clogged during the long drought, so the water overflowed
and took out large chunks of the park roads. See the following link for photos.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447
<https://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447>
Logan
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All,
January has just about been kicked to the curb and the month of St.
Valentine and Mardi Gras is almost here!
But, as of yet, I have NO submissions for the venerable TEXAS CAVER.
Whatever shall I do?!
Thanks,
(Your desperate Editor) Mark
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I want to get into spelunking. I joined this group in hopes of doing so. Does
anyone have any information on caves in Texas and how to get started? Am I in
the wrong place?
Thanks,
Candiss
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
All,
January has just about been kicked to the curb and the month of St. Valentine
and Mardi Gras is almost here!
But, as of yet, I have NO submissions for the venerable TEXAS CAVER.
Whatever shall I do?!
Thanks,
(Your desperate Editor) Mark
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Where do you live, Candiss?
You're still in the right place, tho.
The best place to start is your local grotto.
Go to www.cavetexas.org and look under the "Links" section.
Welcome aboard!
Mark
From: Candiss Everett [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:57 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your
Trip Reports Are?!
I want to get into spelunking. I joined this group in hopes of doing
so. Does anyone have any information on caves in Texas and how to get
started? Am I in the wrong place?
Thanks,
Candiss
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
All,
January has just about been kicked to the curb and the month of St.
Valentine and Mardi Gras is almost here!
But, as of yet, I have NO submissions for the venerable TEXAS CAVER.
Whatever shall I do?!
Thanks,
(Your desperate Editor) Mark
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P.S. - Check the TSA Calendar while you're there, as well.
You'll see trips listed and a good description and requirements.
Mark
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:01 PM
To: 'Candiss Everett'
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your
Trip Reports Are?!
Where do you live, Candiss?
You're still in the right place, tho.
The best place to start is your local grotto.
Go to www.cavetexas.org and look under the "Links" section.
Welcome aboard!
Mark
From: Candiss Everett [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:57 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your
Trip Reports Are?!
I want to get into spelunking. I joined this group in hopes of doing
so. Does anyone have any information on caves in Texas and how to get
started? Am I in the wrong place?
Thanks,
Candiss
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http://www.cavetexas.org/calendar/index.php
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> P.S. – Check the TSA Calendar while you’re there, as well.
>
> You’ll see trips listed and a good description and requirements.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: 'Candiss Everett'
> Cc: CaveTex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your Trip
> Reports Are?!
>
> Where do you live, Candiss?
>
> You’re still in the right place, tho.
>
> The best place to start is your local grotto.
>
> Go to www.cavetexas.org and look under the “Links” section.
>
>
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> From: Candiss Everett [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:57 PM
> To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
> Cc: CaveTex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] It's February 1st. Do You Know Where Your Trip
> Reports Are?!
>
> I want to get into spelunking. I joined this group in hopes of doing so.
> Does anyone have any information on caves in Texas and how to get started?
> Am I in the wrong place?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Candiss
>
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