texascavers Digest 5 Aug 2011 20:12:02 -0000 Issue 1360

Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 5 Aug 2011 20:12:02 -0000 Issue 1360

Topics (messages 18278 through 18288):

Re: OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
        18278 by: Aimee Beveridge
        18279 by: Fritz Holt

Re: Vacancy Announcement- Physical Science Technician (Caves), GS-1311-05/06/07
        18280 by: Dale_Pate.nps.gov

BexarGrotto Going Away Party
        18281 by: Geary Schindel
        18284 by: Mark Alman

Re: Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT
        18282 by: Rod Goke
        18283 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
        18285 by: Stefan Creaser
        18286 by: Don Cooper

Re: USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys
        18287 by: Aimee Beveridge
        18288 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

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I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
To: 'wesley s' <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in 
Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, 
ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will 
instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages 
at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of 
electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes 
before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, 
but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for 
thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual 
sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html

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That's what my daughters say. Houston is bad enough but I would not like to 
live in any city or town of more than 5,000 people and preferably a little ways 
out. My goal is somewhere near Dripping if I don't die first.

Fritz

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From: Aimee Beveridge [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:40 AM
To: Fritz Holt; 'wesley s'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
To: 'wesley s' <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in 
Texas --- but not in Houston .

Fritz

From: wesley s [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29

"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, 
ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will 
instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages 
at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of 
electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes 
before being rotated to a different neighborhood."

Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, 
but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for 
thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual 
sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.]

stay cool y'all,

Wes~


References:

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html

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Applications for a GS5,6,7 Cave Technician position in the Cave Resources
Office at Carlsbad Caverns National Park is open through August 24.

Dale Pate


Physical Science Technician (Caves), GS-1311-05/06/07 DEU: Apply here for
US citizens not already a permanent employee of the federal government

http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?OPMControl=2347781

Physical Science Technician (Caves), GS-1311-05/06/07 MP: Apply here if
already a permanenet employee of the federal government

http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?OPMControl=2347889



If the link fails to work properly, copy and paste the website address.





Michael Cook
Human Resources Specialist
Carlsbad Caverns National Park
3225 National Parks Highway
Carlsbad, NM 88220
Phone: 575-234-6726
Fax: 575-885-4557
E-Mail: [email protected]

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Howdy cavers,

Well, my time caving in Texas has come to an abrupt end. I've recently
accepted a job offer from a LiDAR company in Portland, Oregon and will be
moving from San Antonio this weekend.

Geary and Sue Schindel have asked that I invite fellow cavers over to
their house this Saturday for a going away party. It will be a potluck
starting at 7pm and the grill will be going as well. Their address is 11310
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, TX 78230. Hope to see you there.

Cheers,
Drew Wendeborn

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Can't make it, Drew, but you have been a joy to know and cave with!
 
Thanks for all of your help at Longhorn and other caves throughout the state. 
 
I sincerely want to thank you for all of your help during ICS (you and your 
brother were lifesavers) and I wish you the best of luck in the Northwest!
 
 
Stay in touch!
 
 
Mark Alman 

From: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] BexarGrotto Going Away Party


Howdy cavers,

Well, my time caving in Texas has come to an abrupt end. I've recently
accepted a job offer from a LiDAR company in Portland, Oregon and will be
moving from San Antonio this weekend.

Geary and Sue Schindel have asked that I invite fellow cavers over to
their house this Saturday for a going away party. It will be a potluck
starting at 7pm and the grill will be going as well. Their address is 11310
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, TX 78230. Hope to see you there.

Cheers,
Drew Wendeborn

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Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our country continues to grow, every state in which I have lived has had increasing population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced population growth along with its resulting problems.

As long as this trend continues, how can you expect moving elsewhere to provide anything more than temporary relief? If you find a desirable place to move, free from the problems of overpopulation, then what's to prevent lots of other people from moving there, too, and thereby creating the same overcrowded conditions you moved there to escape? To truly escape overcrowding, you could try moving to a location with problems so great that few people would want to live there (in which case, you might not want to live there either) or you could try moving to a location so expensive that few people can afford to live there (in which case, you might not be able to afford it either) or you could try moving to a location so restrictive that few people are allowed to live there (in which case, you might not be allowed in either). Any other little haven you find is bound to fill up with people who, like you, are trying to get away from all those other people in the overcrowded cities.

If all the people fretting over the numerous environmental and social problems resulting from overpopulation were to focus instead on the primary underlying cause, we might reverse this trend and see real progress towards long range solutions and improving quality of life for future generations. This applies both to most of the cave related environmental issues that are considered "on topic" for Texascavers and to the many less cave related environmental and social issues that are considered "off topic" here.

Rod

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From: Aimee Beveridge
Sent: Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM
To: Fritz Holt , 'wesley s' , "[email protected]"
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt
To: 'wesley s' ; "[email protected]"
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html

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I work for a water agency and a colleague from Florida once said that the way to stop groundwater depletion in Florida is to:
 
1: Ban air conditioning
&
2: Stop mosquito abatement projects.
Nuff said.
 
T

Aug 5, 2011 12:44:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:

Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our country continues to grow, every state in which I have lived has had increasing population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced population growth along with its resulting problems.

As long as this trend continues, how can you expect moving elsewhere to provide anything more than temporary relief? If you find a desirable place to move, free from the problems of overpopulation, then what's to prevent lots of other people from moving there, too, and thereby creating the same overcrowded conditions you moved there to escape? To truly escape overcrowding, you could try moving to a location with problems so great that few people would want to live there (in which case, you might not want to live there either) or you could try moving to a location so expensive that few people can afford to live there (in which case, you might not be able to afford it either) or you could try moving to a location so restrictive that few people are allowed to live there (in which case, you might not be allowed in either). Any other little haven you find is bound to fill up with people who, like you, are trying to get away from all those other people in the overcrowded cities.

If all the people fretting over the numerous environmental and social problems resulting from overpopulation were to focus instead on the primary underlying cause, we might reverse this trend and see real progress towards long range solutions and improving quality of life for future generations. This applies both to most of the cave related environmental issues that are considered "on topic" for Texascavers and to the many less cave related environmental and social issues that are considered "off topic" here.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Aimee Beveridge
Sent: Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM
To: Fritz Holt , 'wesley s' , "[email protected]"
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt
To: 'wesley s' ; "[email protected]"
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html
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From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]



Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the 
environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a 
significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local 
phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our 
country continues to grow, every state in which I have lived has had increasing 
population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced population 
growth along with its resulting problems.


Sounds like you’re very popular Rod!

Cheers,
Stefan


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Yeah probably the biggest problem no one wants to address.
Decrease population means decreased production in the corporate world, and
that just won't DO...  We have to keep writing bad checks on our
environmental overdraw until someone else solves our problems somehow, some
way...

-WaV

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>wrote:

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> *From:* Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
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> Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the
> environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a
> significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local
> phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our
> country continues to grow, *every state in which I have lived has had
> increasing population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced
> population growth along with its resulting problems*.
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> Sounds like you’re very popular Rod!****
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> Cheers,****
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> Stefan****
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> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium. Thank you.
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Soil Survey Folks:
 
I am happy to report that all of the county soil surveys have been donated to 
the Texas Speleological Society.  Ron Ralph and I loaded the copies into his 
truck yesterday.  I did find out that the Surface Mining Division of my agency 
is giving their copies up as well.  I'll see what I can do to get the 
particular copies to those who requested them.   We also have a number of 
excellent guidance docs from the Bureau of Environmental Geology up for grabs.  
Most deal with the Oligocene Frio Formation and uranium potential of S. Texas.  
Let me know if you have a means for picking them up and I will save them for a 
short time (my office is also moving so I don't want to hang on to them 
indefinitly and there are too many to haul home.  
 
Ron reminded me that the TSS is a lending library.   Be aware that there have 
been signficant updates to the county soil data since the printing of most of 
the soil survey books.  Online, you can go to the Web Soil Survey 
(http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov) or SSURGO 
(http://soils.usda.gov/survey/geography/ssurgo/) for the newest interpretations.
 
Stay underground,
Aimee  

From: Aimee Beveridge <[email protected]>
To: CaveTex <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys


Somewhat offtopic but of interest to geo-types:

The Railroad Commission here in Austin is giving away our nearly complete set 
of NRCS County Soil Survey books for Texas. The County Soil books include soil 
descriptions, aerial photographic coverage and other information useful for 
engineers, consultants, university libraries, groundwater conservation 
districts etc.  

Many of these books are out-of-print.  Altough most are available online (see 
link) you may be one of those types that prefer a paper copy.

  http://soils.usda.gov/survey/printed_surveys/state.asp?state=Texas&abbr=TX

Timeline is short, if you like paper reports let me know. 

Aimee Beveridge
512-463-7995 



FYI for Ron Ralph (I was given the remaining two boxes of surveys to add to the 
collection)

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SSURGO is insanely complicated. We tried to use it at USGS in Virginia and even the seriously propeller-headed geohydrologists threw up their hands in despair.

Be wary when a soils scientist comes to you and says: "I need to talk to you about peds".

T


Aug 5, 2011 02:47:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Soil Survey Folks:
 
I am happy to report that all of the county soil surveys have been donated to the Texas Speleological Society.  Ron Ralph and I loaded the copies into his truck yesterday.  I did find out that the Surface Mining Division of my agency is giving their copies up as well.  I'll see what I can do to get the particular copies to those who requested them.   We also have a number of excellent guidance docs from the Bureau of Environmental Geology up for grabs.  Most deal with the Oligocene Frio Formation and uranium potential of S. Texas.  Let me know if you have a means for picking them up and I will save them for a short time (my office is also moving so I don't want to hang on to them indefinitly and there are too many to haul home. 
 
Ron reminded me that the TSS is a lending library.   Be aware that there have been signficant updates to the county soil data since the printing of most of the soil survey books.  Online, you can go to the Web Soil Survey (http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov) or SSURGO (http://soils.usda.gov/survey/geography/ssurgo/) for the newest interpretations.
 
Stay underground,
Aimee 
 
FYI for Ron Ralph (I was given the remaining two boxes of surveys to add to the collection)
 
 

From: Aimee Beveridge
To: CaveTex
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys

Somewhat offtopic but of interest to geo-types:
 
The Railroad Commission here in Austin is giving away our nearly complete set of NRCS County Soil Survey books for Texas. The County Soil books include soil descriptions, aerial photographic coverage and other information useful for engineers, consultants, university libraries, groundwater conservation districts etc.  
 
Many of these books are out-of-print.  Altough most are available online (see link) you may be one of those types that prefer a paper copy.
 
 
Timeline is short, if you like paper reports let me know. 
 
Aimee Beveridge
512-463-7995 



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