texascavers Digest 11 Aug 2011 01:11:26 -0000 Issue 1365

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:13:19 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 11 Aug 2011 01:11:26 -0000 Issue 1365

Topics (messages 18319 through 18326):

Randy Brown
        18319 by: Don Cooper

TSS work session
        18320 by: Ron Ralph

Re: book review: Lew Bicking
        18321 by: Rod Goke

WNS Presentations Online
        18322 by: R D Milhollin

Re: was where a man can breathe free, now where a woman can stop getting 
political viewpoints on CaveTex
        18323 by: Nico Escamilla

The Longest Cave
        18324 by: Mixon Bill
        18325 by: Mixon Bill

Gorman Cave work weekend
        18326 by: Jim Kennedy

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I'm trying to get a note off to Randy Brown.  I wondered if anyone out there
has his email address??
It would be appreciated.

-Wav

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Cavers,

 

There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas
Speleological Survey August 10th at the JJ Pickle Research Center on Burnet
Road north of highway 183. Both publication sales and the library will be
open. The door will be open at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. The
TSS office phone has been removed so if you get lost or stopped by the
guard, call me. Remember it is best to arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate
guards might not let you in.

 

Come by and help out and search the files for your favorite caves. We will
be unloading and inventorying the county soils manuals so graciously
provided by Aimee and the Texas Railroad Commission for our library. If you
have a desire to see the files and unpublished maps, come by and take a
look.

 

If you have questions, please contact me at  <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected] or the office manager, Jim Kennedy.

 

Please go to
<http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm>
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm for additional
information.

 

Ron Ralph

Cell: 797-3817

A Pickle Research Campus map is at: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/ Click on
the "SW Area" to find TM-2 or building 18-A located on the main entrance
road. It is a three-story brick affair with entrance on the west. Park to
the south in the PETEX lot across the street (Read Granberry Trail) from
building 18-A

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Mark,

You probably are thinking of the story I posted to Texascavers May 1, 2010. A copy of that message is appended as the "Forwarded Message" below. I believe that the original statement was made by a Florida state legislator instead of the governor, but your memory was close.

Rod

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>From: Mark Minton
>Sent: Aug 8, 2011 11:16 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
>
>At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:
>>My favorite
>>summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in
>>Mexico after the 1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survival
>>equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the
>>largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a
>>box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears,
>>and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever--
>>for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way
>>from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his
>>great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any
>>money--not any--he may well not have any.
>
> That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a
>governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to
>visit being good for the economy, he said something like, "They come
>with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't
>change either."
>
>Mark Minton
>
>Please reply to [email protected]
>Permanent email address is [email protected]
>
>


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>From: Rod Goke
>Sent: May 1, 2010 6:47 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Traveling with $5 per person
>
>Back when Texas cavers and hippies were visiting Mexico with only $5 per person, I was a caver and graduate student in Florida. At that time, some backpacking enthusiasts were trying to get the State to build more hiking trails and were trying to win support for the project by suggesting that it would help Florida's economy by attracting more tourists. At least one state legislator, however, was not impressed with this argument, and he made headlines by saying, "The average backpacker comes to the State with one pair of underwear and a $5 bill, and he never changes either."
>
>Not many Florida cavers traveled to Mexico, since most of us couldn't afford to travel that far, but during breaks, we often went caving in the TAG (Tennessee/Alabama/Georgia) region on similarly cheap travel budgets. Sometimes we'd camp in tents, but for only 25 cents per night per person (dropped into an unsupervised coin jar via the honor system), we could stay at the TAG House, an old semi-abandoned farm house with one light bulb, one wood/coal burning stove, and no plumbing. At other times we negotiated a deal with a certain cheap motel in Alabama, where we could rent 1 or 2 rooms for a week or more with no sheets or towels and with no limit on how many cavers could share a room. Sometimes we'd pack so many cavers into a room that the motel actually cost us less per person than the TAG House!
>
>Cheapskate travels weren't just in Mexico. Cavers found ways to travel cheaply wherever we went back then.
>
>Rod
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Minton
>>Sent: Apr 30, 2010 3:09 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Mexican paperwork
>>
>> It is true that back in the 70s or thereabouts tourists were
>>sometimes asked to prove that they had enough money to survive during
>>their stay in Mexico. The amount needed was not specified and seemed
>>to be up to the admitting customs official to decide. The problem
>>for cavers who were camping out in the mountains was that we needed
>>far less cash than the average tourist, so it sometimes seemed like
>>we didn't have enough. On at least one trip I was on when this was a
>>problem, we pooled our money and gave it all to one person, who then
>>went through the line and got his permit. Then he gave the cash to
>>the next person, etc. It took a bit longer, but we all got through
>>with the same wad of cash. :-)
>>
>>Mark Minton
>>
>>At 02:22 PM 4/30/2010, Gill Edigar wrote:
>>>On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Fofo wrote:
>>>...so I guess that now when getting a visa for Mexico people are
>>>better off having some credit card or bank statements and pay stubs.
>>>
>>>Mixon Bill wrote, on 30/4/10 9:54 :
>>>That would
>>>have been entertaining back in the old days of Mexican caving (the
>>>sixties), when eight hippi gringo cavers in one truck with $5 cash each
>>>would head into Mexico to look for pits.
>>>
>>>The $5 story is true. On at least one occasion I went to Bustamante
>>>for a long weekend with only 5 bucks in my pocket--and came back
>>>with change. In those days $40 in cash was 'proof of solvency'. I
>>>would guess that 300 or 400 dollars would do the trick today--for a
>>>short trip at least. For a 180-day permit (I must repeat that they
>>>are not visas) it would be hard to carry several thousand dollars in
>>>cash so flashing a credit card or two should be allowable. Having
>>>said that, I must add that I haven't been asked to show any money to
>>>prove solvency since probably the early '70s. I don't think they do
>>>it anymore and doubt they have much trouble with Gringos looking for
>>>work or becoming wards of the state down there.
>>>--Ediger
>>
>>Please reply to [email protected]
>>Permanent email address is [email protected]
>>
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reposted from VARLIST / Cavechat.org



NSS Convention WNS Presentations Posted Online

Presentations made at the special WNS session at the 2011 NSS 
Convention in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, have now been posted on the 
NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS (Scroll down to the 
"Research" section.)

Seven of the presentations are currently available, although all the 
topics are listed. Thanks to session organizer, Carl Bern, for 
obtaining permission from the presenters. We hope the rest will soon follow.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE

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Wheres the like button?

On Monday, August 8, 2011, R D Milhollin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here here! This discussion was off-topic from the beginning. Making
awkward stretches in order to appear cave-related is cheating. There is the
O-T Cavers list out theree, barely used for what it was intended, how soon
we forget.
> Back to real discussions about caves, cavers, and caving.
> ________________________________
> From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
> To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 12:31 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] RE: was where a man can breathe free, now where a
woman can stop getting political viewpoints on CaveTex
>
> Please, let's stop with this thread now, it's getting old and tiresome. I
became a caver because I liked going into caves and I liked the scientific
aspects of caving. I did not sign up for CaveTex to receive mail that had
nothing to do with caves.
>
> While I enjoy a good political rant as well as the next person, I don't
enjoy it in this forum, especially when people start spouting off about
eugenics, an ill-thought out and dangerous "social philosophy." And if you
don't understand why I should find eugenics to be distasteful, dangerous and
disgusting, then grab me in person at TCR (a suitable forum for such
discussions) and I'll let you know.
>
> Diana
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TPWD and BCI are sponsoring a cave gating workshop at Colorado Bend
State Park on 25 to 30 September, 2011.  We will be re-gating Gorman
Cave with a state-of-the-art flyover gate, in order to accommodate the
maternity colony of Myotis velifer and restrict unauthorized human
entry.  

To prepare for this event, we will be holding a work weekend 2 to 4
September.  Our goals are to widen and straighten the trail from the
upper gold mine to Gorman cave to facilitate steel and equipment
hauling.  We will also be staging some of the steel closer to the cave.
We have use of the Conference Center for camping that weekend, because
we all know it is still going to be horribly hot.  Food will
unfortunately not be provided, but we should have a couple of coolers of
cold beverages for workers.  Bring sturdy boots and work gloves.  There
may be a possibility of evening caving trips if I have enough trip
leaders who are not exhausted, but no promises.

Please give me a reply off-list if you are interested, so that I can
keep a running count and know what to expect.  I will post more details
directions and times as we get closer to that weekend, so keep watching
CaveTex for announcements.

Feel free to distribute this amongst other cavers, repost on caver
listserves, and publish in grotto newsletters.  Thanks!

Jim "Crash" Kennedy
Cave Resources Specialist
Bat Conservation International

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