texascavers Digest 4 Sep 2011 00:03:28 -0000 Issue 1378
Topics (messages 18442 through 18459):
Re: new Texas law
18442 by: Fritz Holt
18443 by: Stefan Creaser
Snowy River Cave discovery celebrates 10th year!
18444 by: Pete Lindsley
18445 by: Fritz Holt
18446 by: Bill Bentley
caving vehicle related
18447 by: David
18448 by: Stefan Creaser
18449 by: Bob Booth
Bats have accents
18450 by: Mark Minton
TCR Costume Contest!
18451 by: Jim Kennedy
18453 by: Gill Edigar
18456 by: dreadflame.yahoo.com
18457 by: Frank Binney
18458 by: Diana Tomchick
18459 by: Louise Power
Texas Cave Conservancy CAVE DAY September 17, 2011 Cedar Park, Texas
18452 by: Lyndon Tiu
costume contest
18454 by: Mixon Bill
info on Rancho del Cielo and vicinity
18455 by: Mixon Bill
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There is a new category, "Chief Cook and Bottle Washer".
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:10 PM
To: galen falgout; [email protected]; Fritz Holt; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I'm not sure I am, but then am I a caver anymore? After what time period of you
last being in a cave does your caver status expire?
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From: galen falgout [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:07 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I think all the "real" cavers are too busy caving and doing cave related things!
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:24:27 pm
To: "Fritz Holt" <[email protected]>,[email protected],"Stefan
Creaser" <[email protected]>
Cc: Ted Samsel <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, David Locklear
<[email protected]>, Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
From: "Louise Power" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I think all the "real" cavers have moved to the social networks.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 11:38:57 -0500
Subject: RE: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I enjoy most of this mindless chatter, even David?s. But, if we don?t switch it
to OT the ?real? cavers and the CaveTex police are going to get us.
Spelunker Fritz
From: Herman Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:10 AM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Jumping on the redneck band wagon... You will now need a special hunting
license to go snake hunting...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
Keep it down at the back, it?s not Friday yet.
-S.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Not to mention:
On Thursday, the first day of the state?s fiscal year, Texans will be able to
shoot feral hogs and coyotes from helicopters.
Wheedoggies!
Sep 1, 2011 10:35:37 AM, [email protected] wrote:
However, it is now LAWFUL to fish for catfish by HAND. And I mean BY HAND!
Our Governor pushed through legislation to make fish noodling legal in Texas.
Thank goodness we have a Governor that cares about our wants and needs.
From: David
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law
It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.
Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.
David
( the real David, not the one from the future )
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A social network is a place you can 'hang out' with your friends, a bit like
someone's virtual campfire, and be bombarded by advertising keyed off what you
type into the system. The sole reason they exist is to sell you stuff, even if
you've never bought anything off of there.
Ie. it's a bit of an advancement on CaveTex where all you get bombarded with is
advertisements for LED lights, off-road vehicles and miscellaneous (supposed)
caving events to attend ;-)
--Stefan
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:12 PM
To: 'wesley s'; [email protected]; [email protected]; Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Shucks! I think I know into which category I fall. By the way, what is a social
network?
Fritz
________________________________
From: wesley s [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:58 PM
To: [email protected]; Fritz Holt; [email protected];
[email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Yeah Fritz. Ya kinda missed the boat on that one. This list serve is dead. The
only folks who keep tuned in are those unable to move onto the newer networks
or those who maintain a curiosity/nostalgia about it.
Wes~
________________________________
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 11:24:07 -0700
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I think all the "real" cavers have moved to the social networks.
________________________________
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 11:38:57 -0500
Subject: RE: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
I enjoy most of this mindless chatter, even David's. But, if we don't switch it
to OT the "real" cavers and the CaveTex police are going to get us.
Spelunker Fritz
________________________________
From: Herman Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:10 AM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Jumping on the redneck band wagon... You will now need a special hunting
license to go snake hunting...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Stefan Creaser
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Keep it down at the back, it's not Friday yet.
-S.
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:37 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>;
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
Not to mention:
On Thursday, the first day of the state's fiscal year, Texans will be able to
shoot feral hogs and coyotes from helicopters.
Wheedoggies!
Sep 1, 2011 10:35:37 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
However, it is now LAWFUL to fish for catfish by HAND. And I mean BY HAND!
Our Governor pushed through legislation to make fish noodling legal in Texas.
Thank goodness we have a Governor that cares about our wants and needs.
From: David
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law
It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.
Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.
David
( the real David, not the one from the future )
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Just about 10 years ago to the hour some cavers dug into Snowy River,
after many years of digging in various places in Fort Stanton Cave.
Numerous Texas cavers have visited and surveyed (and dug) in the cave
since the late 1950's when Tom Gould and his friends explored. Jack C.
Burch was also very interested in the commercial prospects of the
cave; fortunately Jack decided to commercialize Mayfield Cave instead.
Read about it here:
[http://ruidosofreepress.com/view/full_story/15181298/article-Snowy-River-Cave-discovery-celebrates-10th-year?instance=main_news
]
So today in Lincoln County it was declared to be the 10th anniversary
of the discovery.
- Pete
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In the spring of 1956 while stationed at Fort Bliss in El Paso, three army
buddies and I drove to Capitan, NM and obtained directions to Ft. Stanton Cave
which was close by. We missed seeing Smokey and Snowy River but did travel
quite far into the cave. We were the only ones on the unrestricted premises.
The cave was impressive for its size but if I remember correctly, not highly
decorated. A good distance into the cave, I took a low crawlway to the right
and was amazed by the millions of brown opaque crystals an inch or more long
that were on the roughly 24 inch ceiling and all over the floor, apparently
broken off by previous crawlers. The cave was easily navigated but I'm sure
there was a lot more cave than we saw. On the gravel or caliche road to the
cave I hit a cattle guard a little too fast and when my 53 ford tudor bottomed
out it knocked a hole in the gas tank and gas was dribbling out. I found a corn
cob (unused) beside the road and was able to drive it into the rupture and stop
the leak until I could get back to civilization to have it repaired. We were a
long way from a gas station.
Two or three months earlier I was fortunate to be among the first groups into
Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) with Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and Ralph
Derby. Jimmy and I always thought we were the first group in after the extended
cave discovery by the Dallas group after they crossed "The Ledge". Carl
Kunath's research indicates we may have only been the third to sixth group to
cross the ledge. Jimmy had sent the Dallas cavers there and this is when they
crossed "The Ledge" in September,1955 and discovered perhaps the most
beautifully decorated cave in the United States. Our visit was between
December, 1955 and February, 1956. This was my most exciting spelunking
adventure which I will never forget. Good friends, fantastic cave. A large
picture taken by Jimmy Walker of me admiring a very long soda straw while on
this trip hangs in the visitors office of The Caverns of Sonora. You can read
our story of this trip in the large ICS edition of The Texas Caver under
"Carbide Corner". I have probably bored you enough with my nostalgic memories.
Fritz Holt
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From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:47 PM
To: Cavetex
Subject: [Texascavers] Snowy River Cave discovery celebrates 10th year!
Just about 10 years ago to the hour some cavers dug into Snowy River,
after many years of digging in various places in Fort Stanton Cave.
Numerous Texas cavers have visited and surveyed (and dug) in the cave
since the late 1950's when Tom Gould and his friends explored. Jack C.
Burch was also very interested in the commercial prospects of the
cave; fortunately Jack decided to commercialize Mayfield Cave instead.
Read about it here:
[http://ruidosofreepress.com/view/full_story/15181298/article-Snowy-River-Cave-discovery-celebrates-10th-year?instance=main_news
]
So today in Lincoln County it was declared to be the 10th anniversary
of the discovery.
- Pete
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Fritz,
I was on that ledge in Sonora Caverns a few years back .. impressive...
Bill
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From: "Fritz Holt" <[email protected]>
To: "'Pete Lindsley'" <[email protected]>; "Cavetex"
<[email protected]>; "'Mandy Holt'" <[email protected]>;
"'Jenny Holt'" <[email protected]>; "'Steve Ashmore'"
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Debra Batts'"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Snowy River Cave discovery celebrates 10th year!
In the spring of 1956 while stationed at Fort Bliss in El Paso, three army
buddies and I drove to Capitan, NM and obtained directions to Ft. Stanton
Cave which was close by. We missed seeing Smokey and Snowy River but did
travel quite far into the cave. We were the only ones on the unrestricted
premises. The cave was impressive for its size but if I remember correctly,
not highly decorated. A good distance into the cave, I took a low crawlway
to the right and was amazed by the millions of brown opaque crystals an inch
or more long that were on the roughly 24 inch ceiling and all over the
floor, apparently broken off by previous crawlers. The cave was easily
navigated but I'm sure there was a lot more cave than we saw. On the gravel
or caliche road to the cave I hit a cattle guard a little too fast and when
my 53 ford tudor bottomed out it knocked a hole in the gas tank and gas was
dribbling out. I found a corn cob (unused) beside the road and was able to
drive it into the rupture and stop the leak until I could get back to
civilization to have it repaired. We were a long way from a gas station.
Two or three months earlier I was fortunate to be among the first groups
into Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) with Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and
Ralph Derby. Jimmy and I always thought we were the first group in after the
extended cave discovery by the Dallas group after they crossed "The Ledge".
Carl Kunath's research indicates we may have only been the third to sixth
group to cross the ledge. Jimmy had sent the Dallas cavers there and this is
when they crossed "The Ledge" in September,1955 and discovered perhaps the
most beautifully decorated cave in the United States. Our visit was between
December, 1955 and February, 1956. This was my most exciting spelunking
adventure which I will never forget. Good friends, fantastic cave. A large
picture taken by Jimmy Walker of me admiring a very long soda straw while on
this trip hangs in the visitors office of The Caverns of Sonora. You can
read our story of this trip in the large ICS edition of The Texas Caver
under "Carbide Corner". I have probably bored you enough with my nostalgic
memories.
Fritz Holt
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:47 PM
To: Cavetex
Subject: [Texascavers] Snowy River Cave discovery celebrates 10th year!
Just about 10 years ago to the hour some cavers dug into Snowy River,
after many years of digging in various places in Fort Stanton Cave.
Numerous Texas cavers have visited and surveyed (and dug) in the cave
since the late 1950's when Tom Gould and his friends explored. Jack C.
Burch was also very interested in the commercial prospects of the
cave; fortunately Jack decided to commercialize Mayfield Cave instead.
Read about it here:
[http://ruidosofreepress.com/view/full_story/15181298/article-Snowy-River-Cave-discovery-celebrates-10th-year?instance=main_news
]
So today in Lincoln County it was declared to be the 10th anniversary
of the discovery.
- Pete
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How many cave rescue teams do you know that have their own
rescue vehicle ?
http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cro3.jpg
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Most of the ones in the UK do; the picture shows one of them.
And they're not afraid to use them...
When I was at university and a guy in our club fell down a pitch the Cave
Rescue guys literally bounced their *brand new* Land Rover across the moors to
get him. They'd had it delivered that morning, it was as yet unregistered and
it had about 10miles on the clock :-)
--Stefan
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:11 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] caving vehicle related
How many cave rescue teams do you know that have their own
rescue vehicle ?
http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cro3.jpg
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The Italian groups do.
CNSAS
http://www.soccorsospeleo.it/?area%20stampa+news+intervento-di-soccorso-grotta-dei-guardiani-27-28-marzo-20112
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolopo/4799424019/
http://www.sicurezzaesoccorso.com/nuovi_aggiornamenti/16-06-10/CNSAS%20Umbria%201.jpg
Bob
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:10 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> How many cave rescue teams do you know that have their own
> rescue vehicle ?
>
> http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cro3.jpg
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New research from Australia shows that bats from different
regions have accents, just as people
do:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8000520/Bats-have-regional-accents.html>.
Mark Minton
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Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at
the NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We
will be bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of
the Saturday evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided
by acclamation from the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates
good at ANY of the TCR vendors that weekend! The theme for the costumes
is PIRATE, so dress up like a scurvy sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or
abused cabin boy and entertain us! Yargggh, mateys!
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And we'll all sing verses of Barnacle Bill the Sailor and recite bawdy
limericks about pirates and lusty sailors.
--Ediger
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jim Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote:
> **
>
> Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at
> the NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We
> will be bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of the
> Saturday evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided by
> acclamation from the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates good at
> ANY of the TCR vendors that weekend! The theme for the costumes is PIRATE,
> so dress up like a scurvy sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or abused cabin boy
> and entertain us! Yargggh, mateys!
>
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Oh. Yes. Heave-to and surrender the booty ... another broadside an ye goes
down with the tide...
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
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From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
To: CaveTex <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 19:54:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Costume Contest!
Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at
the NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We
will be bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of
the Saturday evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided
by acclamation from the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates
good at ANY of the TCR vendors that weekend! The theme for the costumes
is PIRATE, so dress up like a scurvy sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or
abused cabin boy and entertain us! Yargggh, mateys!
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What¹s all this ³Yarggh, mateys!² stuff? I¹m coming dressed as a Somali
fisherman with an AK-47. Assaalmu Alaykum! Now give me your oil tanker!
On 9/2/11 12:54 PM, "Jim Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at the
> NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We will be
> bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of the Saturday
> evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided by acclamation
> from the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates good at ANY of the TCR
> vendors that weekend! The theme for the costumes is PIRATE, so dress up like
> a scurvy sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or abused cabin boy and entertain us!
> Yargggh, mateys!
>
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I think I'll come dressed as a Chinese software pirate...oh, that was so not
PC...
Diana
**************************************************
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Department of Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
[email protected]
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)
________________________________________
From: Frank Binney [[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: Jim Kennedy; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Costume Contest!
What’s all this “Yarggh, mateys!” stuff? I’m coming dressed as a Somali
fisherman with an AK-47. Assaalmu Alaykum! Now give me your oil tanker!
On 9/2/11 12:54 PM, "Jim Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:
Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at the
NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We will be
bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of the Saturday
evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided by acclamation from
the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates good at ANY of the TCR vendors
that weekend! The theme for the costumes is PIRATE, so dress up like a scurvy
sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or abused cabin boy and entertain us! Yargggh,
mateys!
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Just don't forget that September 19 is...ARG-G-G-G-G-G-H...International Talk
Like a Pirate Day. If you need to spruce up your pirate talk before TCR, check
out http://talklikeapirate.com
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:21:55 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR Costume Contest!
>
> I think I'll come dressed as a Chinese software pirate...oh, that was so not
> PC...
>
> Diana
>
> **************************************************
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Department of Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> [email protected]
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> ________________________________________
> From: Frank Binney [[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: Jim Kennedy; Texas Cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Costume Contest!
>
> What’s all this “Yarggh, mateys!” stuff? I’m coming dressed as a Somali
> fisherman with an AK-47. Assaalmu Alaykum! Now give me your oil tanker!
>
>
> On 9/2/11 12:54 PM, "Jim Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Allan was so favorably impressed by the costume contest that they had at the
> NSS Convention this summer, that he decided to start one at TCR. We will be
> bringing all contestants up on stage during the prize portion of the Saturday
> evening entertainment. The three best costumes, as decided by acclamation
> from the audience, will receive TCR gift certificates good at ANY of the TCR
> vendors that weekend! The theme for the costumes is PIRATE, so dress up like
> a scurvy sea dog, lusty pirate wench, or abused cabin boy and entertain us!
> Yargggh, mateys!
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine, today.
>
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Cavers, come on out and give us a hand on CAVE DAY. We usually have
over 500 visitors go into Avery Ranch Cave. In addition, we will have
250-300 visitors go into the Die’s Ranch Treasure Cave. With numbers
like these, we can use a good deal of cave assistance. Plan on
camping at the TCC Headquarters and caving on Sunday. For additional
information, contact me at 512-249-2283. Thanks. Mike Walsh
CAVE DAY Saturday – September 17, 2011
What is CAVE DAY?
It is an opportunity for you to get out and enjoy some the cave
resources located in the Cedar Park, Texas area. There are over 750
known caves within Williamson County. Visitors will be able to hike
several cave preserves, visit and enter Avery Ranch Cave, visit and
enter Dies Ranch Treasure Cave and visit a 100 - year old log cabin.
In addition, you may also see where the local Indians lived (Dies
Ranch Shelter Cave).
Join the City of Cedar Park Parks & Recreation for a fun filled day.
Cedar Park is home to some pretty unusual characters, but one of the
most reclusive may be the cave beetle, the Rhadine Persephone. That
name doesn't ring a bell? Well, perhaps that's because it is a bug, a
cave beetle to be exact.
In fact, Cedar Park is the only place in the world where you can find
this rare cave beetle. Many of the cave preserves in this area were
created to protect their homes the cave and the critical habitat area.
. CAVE DAY is sponsored by the City of Cedar Park - Parks & Recreation
Department and hosted by the Texas Cave Conservancy. The event is from
10:00 A.M. - 4:00 P.M. There is no charge.
On Saturday, September 17, the Texas Cave Conservancy will offer cave
related activities at five sites. Come by and choose what site or
sites you want to visit.
The first site is the new City of Cedar Park - Discovery Well Cave
Preserve. On this self-guided hike, red flags mark the trails to the
caves New Educational signs have been installed at each cave. There is
no cave access on this site. There are over three miles of trails on
this site. Access to the site will start from Anderson Mill Road. .
Travel information is available at the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.
Another hike starts from the Discover Well Cave Preserve and visits
five caves in the Buttercup Cave Preserve. There is no cave entry on
this site. You may also come on out and check out the preserve year
round. Educational signs have been installed at each cave on this
self-guided hike. . Travel information is available at the Dies Ranch
Treasure Cave.
The third site will be at the Twin Creeks Historical Area. This new
park has a historical log cabin, beautiful springs, tall trees,
running water year round and even an Indian Shelter Cave available for
visitation. Allow fifteen minutes to drive to the site. It is
available for visitation year round. Travel information is available
at the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.
4. The next site will be the Texas Cave Conservancy owned Avery
Ranch Cave. Cavers will assist you while you are in the cave. This
educational show cave has lights and a deck. Lights are not necessary
but they may be fun to have along. Avery Ranch Cave parking is located
at the Avery Ranch Tennis Court Parking at 9400 Morgan Creek Drive,
Round Rock.
The TCC owned Dies Ranch Treasure Cave is more of a caving experience.
Bring lights so you can explore this cave. Join Bill & Jeanette Larson
will even help to look for the outlaw Sam Bass gold.
To reach the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave, turn off Anderson Mill onto
Zeppelin Drive. Go past the Deer Creek Elementary to the intersection
of Zeppelin and Rambler Valley Drive, Cedar Park. Park at the cave
preserve entrance and walk to the cave.
This free bi-annual sponsored by the Cedar Park - Parks & Recreation
Department and is hosted by the Texas Cave Conservancy. Access is
available from 10 A.M. - 4 P.M.
For additional information contact the Cedar Park - Parks & Recreation
Department at:
512-401-5500
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Huh? Costume contest at the NSS convention? When was this? I didn't
even know there was such a thing. Is Allan easily impressed, or what?
-- Mixon
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From Jean Louis Lacaille Múzquiz, [email protected], comes the
following request for old photos and other information. I've never
heard of such a video. If anybody knows anything about it, let Jean
Louis know. And please pass this request on to others who caved in
that area in the old days but might not see this e-mail list. Sounds
like a worthy cause....-- Mixon
At present, I work at an interpretive ecological center located at
the base of the mountain in the town of Gómez Farías and in the near
future, I would like to acquire the whole collection [of AMCS
material] for the center's library; specially, those newsletters
with information concerning the local caves (Sierra del Abra and
Sierra de Guatemala areas). I have always been interested in getting
a copy of a film/video that I heard/read was done at Sótano de Joya
de Salas (in the eighties' trips maybe?). It would be great if I
could get/buy a copy/DVD of it and show it to the people of Joya de
Salas sometime in the future. if you want to check information on
the CIE (Centro Interpretativo Ecológico) and you have a facebook
account, search for "Cie Tamaulipas". There are cavers who used to
cave in the area of the Sierra de Guatemala during the sixties and
seventies and I guess that a few of them must have "old photos" of
Rancho del Cielo, the little mountain towns and lumber mills of
those years; I would like to get/buy any images of the "lumbering
epoch" of the El Cielo area and set up a photographic exhibit of
those years at the center. I already have several of those "old
photos" but there aren't many because the locals did not use to take
photographs at that time (and we never think that our present will
be an interesting past for others). I know this task could at some
extent be difficult and time-consuming, but I would be willing to
pay for the effort at a reasonable price...
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