texascavers Digest 8 Sep 2011 16:56:09 -0000 Issue 1385
Topics (messages 18518 through 18527):
TCMA Board of Directors Call for Nominations!
18518 by: Saj Zappitello
OT - firewood
18519 by: David
18520 by: Stefan Creaser
18524 by: Fritz Holt
18525 by: Joe Ranzau
Re: TCR 2011!
18521 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18526 by: Fritz Holt
18527 by: Diana Tomchick
Brunton Compass
18522 by: Geary Schindel
A visitation for the death of a home.
18523 by: wesley s
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Howdy Cavers,
It’s almost that time of year again. TCMA Directors election time! We
listened to your input and are making a few changes this year. There will be
no TCMA election at TCR. Instead, you can vote either online at a secure
link we will send out on October 5, or you can request a paper ballot. You
will receive voting information via email, if your email is current and on
file with the TCMA, or via snail mail if we do not have an email address for
you. Only current members will be allowed to vote, so make sure your
membership is current! The final voting day will be October 24.
Also… Would you like to make a difference in conserving Texas caves for
Texas cavers? Please consider running for a board member position! Let us
know if you are interested in running: [email protected],
[email protected], or [email protected]. Thanks!
--TCMA Nominations and Elections Committee
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There is tons of firewood available near my house if anybody wants it.
A utility company recently cleared a mile long path through a wooded
area near my house and left all the wood there to just rot. It has been
so dry, that the wood is still good for burning.
It seems ironic like in the Alanis Morissette song. She should
add a verse. "It's like a free cord of wood in a fire-burning ban."
Here is the melody, just sing the phrase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPiZmX_8ZkU&feature=fvwrel
David Locklear
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Is it getting cold out?
-- Stefan
________________________________________
From: David [[email protected]]
Sent: 07 September 2011 19:25
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - firewood
There is tons of firewood available near my house if anybody wants it.
A utility company recently cleared a mile long path through a wooded
area near my house and left all the wood there to just rot. It has been
so dry, that the wood is still good for burning.
It seems ironic like in the Alanis Morissette song. She should
add a verse. "It's like a free cord of wood in a fire-burning ban."
Here is the melody, just sing the phrase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPiZmX_8ZkU&feature=fvwrel
David Locklear
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David,
How big(diameter)and how long are the logs? What kind of tree are they from and
when were they cut? Depending on the answers, I may want a load. I still want
to buy your extra long extension ladder if you have it.
Thanks,
Fritz
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:59 PM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - firewood
Is it getting cold out?
-- Stefan
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From: David [[email protected]]
Sent: 07 September 2011 19:25
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - firewood
There is tons of firewood available near my house if anybody wants it.
A utility company recently cleared a mile long path through a wooded
area near my house and left all the wood there to just rot. It has been
so dry, that the wood is still good for burning.
It seems ironic like in the Alanis Morissette song. She should
add a verse. "It's like a free cord of wood in a fire-burning ban."
Here is the melody, just sing the phrase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPiZmX_8ZkU&feature=fvwrel
David Locklear
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Fritz, I'm pretty sure most of us don't care :-)
All of us should please remember the difference between reply and reply all.
:-)
Joe
On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> David,
>
> How big(diameter)and how long are the logs? What kind of tree are they from
> and when were they cut? Depending on the answers, I may want a load. I still
> want to buy your extra long extension ladder if you have it.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:59 PM
> To: David; Cavers Texas
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - firewood
>
> Is it getting cold out?
>
> -- Stefan
> ________________________________________
> From: David [[email protected]]
> Sent: 07 September 2011 19:25
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] OT - firewood
>
> There is tons of firewood available near my house if anybody wants it.
>
> A utility company recently cleared a mile long path through a wooded
> area near my house and left all the wood there to just rot. It has been
> so dry, that the wood is still good for burning.
>
> It seems ironic like in the Alanis Morissette song. She should
> add a verse. "It's like a free cord of wood in a fire-burning ban."
>
> Here is the melody, just sing the phrase:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPiZmX_8ZkU&feature=fvwrel
>
> David Locklear
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A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine
with me and also be something different.
Desperate times and all.
Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
Mark
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Gill,
I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me)
stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please
don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could
be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more
cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's
Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I
am sure it will be heavily frequented.
Fritz
________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch
and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a
most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we
normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead
plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant
rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and
dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will
be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when
ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response
measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at
home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but
they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are
more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who
use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them
slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would
be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks
make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet,
stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm
water can be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound
on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR
operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we
can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year.
Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you
remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay
tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer.
Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal,
however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers
gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger
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I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to
white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many
prefer a liquid diet.
Fritz
________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me
and also be something different.
Desperate times and all.
Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
Mark
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
--Stefan
[Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
Cc: Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Gill,
I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at
home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a
cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than
last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this
year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year
I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented.
Fritz
________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and
having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most
exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't
have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel
for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as
much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any
fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns
like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first
response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire
extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not
only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up
what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create
sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due
to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should
not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the
ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you.
Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible.
Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can
be home to certain organism that could be
harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this
a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and
have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun
and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because
it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to
enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the
organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to
normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and
where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
--Ediger
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Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet?
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to
> white and wheat bread, could we have some rye?
> It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many
> prefer a liquid diet.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM
> To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with
> me and also be something different.
>
> Desperate times and all.
>
>
> Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Anyone for salad this year? ;-)
>
> --Stefan
> [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer]
>
> From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'
> Cc: Cave Tex
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Gill,
>
> I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at
> home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a
> cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than
> last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this
> year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this
> year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily
> frequented.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
> Edigar
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and
> having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most
> exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally
> don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (=
> fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must
> do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to
> fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper
> which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally.
> As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry
> chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR.
> I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home.
> Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear
> up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to
> create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting
> around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately.
> Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint
> rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is
> happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as
> possible.
> Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water
> can be home to certain organism that could be
> harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on
> this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be.
> I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and
> have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun
> and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just
> because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be
> plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements
> from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get
> back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto
> meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated.
> --Ediger
>
>
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> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
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> information in any medium. Thank you.
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Folks,
Anyone have a Brunton Compass (Pocket Transit) they would like to sell. I know
a young caver/college geology student who is looking for one. I'm sure that
she would put it to good use if the price was right and also sing your praise.
There is something about a Brunton that makes it a legacy piece. I had Jim
Quinlan's old Brunton which I gave to my son who put it to good use in college.
Hopefully, he will keep it alive and hand it down to some deserving person
some day.
Email me off list.
Thanks,
Geary Schindel
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The Schumachers are one of many caver families that have been affected by the
Bastrop fires. The fire razed their home and all surrounding structures. This
weekend there will be a visitation to the site for all those who wish to come.
Contact Wes at 512-762-3003 if you need additional information.
Location:
120 Robin Rd. Bastrop, TX
Time:
Saturday, September 10 · 10:00am - 2:00pm
Contingent upon fire suppression and free access to the land...We will
be congregating Saturday, September 10th at 10am in remembrance of a
home par excellence, with friends, family and loved ones.
We really can't express enough the thanks for the outpouring of love and
support we have gotten from all of our friends.
Although everyone wants desperately to come out and help with the
cleanup/rebuilding process, that simply isn't
possible at this time. We must wait on the insurance adjuster to look
over the damages and asses things before we begin clean up. Also, it is
simply too raw a wound to clean just yet.
However we don't
want everyone to feel as though there is nothing that can be done. Right
now the best thing you can give is your compassion, and we want to
allow an opportunity for grieving and condolences to flow freely. And
so, we will once more open our home to all, welcoming them to bid
farewell to a place and honor the virtue of hospitality.
We
have always believed that to cherish something is to share it and give
it life. Over the years you all gave our home life by visiting and
sharing it with us, enriching and bettering it in the process. We want
to thank you and offer you a chance to say goodbye to the place.
Please bring chairs for sitting and cameras for documenting the site.
Feel free to play artistically with the stark forms. The air is dusty
and smokey so respirators/face masks might be a good idea, as well as
clothes that can get dirty & closed-toed shoes.
We will
raise a toast to the gods of hearth and home and curse the fates for
their cruel indifference. We are wounded but we are not diminished for
we have hope and friends and family.
Wes~
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