texascavers Digest 14 May 2013 03:21:27 -0000 Issue 1754
Topics (messages 21752 through 21758):
Re: Photoshop
21752 by: Louise Power
21753 by: Pete Lindsley
21755 by: Lyndon Tiu
21757 by: Justin Haynes
Re: James Jasek's Caving Accident
21754 by: Mimi Jasek
a personal story - blog style
21756 by: David
21758 by: Mimi Jasek
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Hi Ted,
The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing companies
who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they can do
anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay up.
Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times gave
satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the older
versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. I always
had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP text. If it
had to go too big, it got all pixely.
But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot.
Happy summer!
😺 Louise
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/
Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that.
At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF
does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me.
Digital wanking gets old. <snork>
I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered
layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the
underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in
1987. Still hasn't happened.
Ted
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
misconceptions.
I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version
2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an
outrage.
I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac
G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new
Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have
to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was
why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I
got lucky :)
Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main
reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
software.
Jim
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
To: James Jasek <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe
Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's
been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get
quite all the posts.)
Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in
2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs,
including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck
with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to
pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of
where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the
list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's
much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6
(Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic
problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise
with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost.
But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard
to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I
imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that
they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to
post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon
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than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in
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If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift Publisher
[http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. It is one
heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most caving
publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure and a 20
page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital press printer
with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check it out.
- Pete
On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote:
If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can
get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95.
http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard?
Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines:
Adobe Photoshop® CS6
Adobe Illustrator® CS6
Adobe InDesign® CS6
Adobe Acrobat® X Pro
Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one
rating which said:
Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had
been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before
purchasing a new laptop.
Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...)
for Retina compatibility but not this one.
Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled
resolution). Ugh. …More
Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have
to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display.
Louise
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500
Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
misconceptions.
I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version
2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an
outrage.
I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac
G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new
Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have
to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was
why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I
got lucky :)
Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main
reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
software.
Jim
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
To: James Jasek <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe
Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's
been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get
quite all the posts.)
Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in
2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs,
including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck
with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to
pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of
where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the
list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's
much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6
(Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic
problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise
with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost.
But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard
to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I
imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that
they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to
post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon
----------------------------------------
Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better
than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in
life.
----------------------------------------
You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
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I just bought another camera, a D80 with the IR filter removed! I will try
and take IR pics at night!!!
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Pete Lindsley <[email protected]> wrote:
> If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift
> Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php].
> It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most
> caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure
> and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital
> press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check
> it out.
>
> - Pete
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote:
>
> If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you
> can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95.
>
>
> http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard
> ?
>
> Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines:
>
> - Adobe Photoshop® CS6
> - Adobe Illustrator® CS6
> - Adobe InDesign® CS6
> - Adobe Acrobat® X Pro
>
>
> Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found
> one rating which said:
>
>
> *Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish
> I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with **Apple
> salespeople before purchasing a new laptop.
>
> Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator,
> Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one.
>
> Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled
> resolution). Ugh.
> …More<http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard?#>
> *
>
>
> Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't
> have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display.
>
>
> Louise
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500
> Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop
>
> Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
> Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
> misconceptions.
>
> I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the
> Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being
> unemployed is an outrage.
>
> I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my
> Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to
> a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
>
> I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
>
> You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will
> have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer.
> This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off.
> For once I got lucky :)
>
> Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main
> reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
> software.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
> *To: *James Jasek <[email protected]>
> *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop*
>
> James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the
> Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not.
> If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I
> think I don't get quite all the posts.)
>
> Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back
> in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of
> programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but
> I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken
> me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not
> terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription
> all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has
> gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for
> CS7.)
>
> And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS
> 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least
> cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing
> wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra
> cost.
>
> But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not
> hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from
> disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions
> so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
>
> If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel
> free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is
> better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete
> happiness in life.
> ----------------------------------------
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
> Personal: [email protected]
> AMCS: [email protected] or [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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If you are doing a lot of repetitive work and you dont mind a little coding,
GIMP can be nice. Everything can be scripted in Scheme which is pretty much an
encarnation of LISP as many on this list may remember when Artificial
Intelligence was a hot topic.
I enjoy it when I have used it. Admittedly adobe will have more features and
be more modern, but GIMP does keep up well and in many cases comparable tools
have more or more granular options.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 13, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing
> companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they
> can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay
> up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times
> gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the
> older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps.
> I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP
> text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely.
>
> But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot.
>
> Happy summer!
>
> Louise
>
>
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
>
> GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/
>
> Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that.
>
> At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill.
> WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine
> by me. Digital wanking gets old. <snork>
>
> I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered
> layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing
> the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even
> in 1987. Still hasn't happened.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
> Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
> misconceptions.
>
> I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version
> 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is
> an outrage.
>
> I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac
> G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new
> Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
>
> I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
>
> You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will
> have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer.
> This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off.
> For once I got lucky :)
>
> Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main
> reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
> software.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
> To: James Jasek <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
>
> James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe
> Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If
> there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I
> don't get quite all the posts.)
>
> Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in
> 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs,
> including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still
> stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4
> years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far
> ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time.
> (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I
> doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
>
> And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS
> 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least
> cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing
> wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra
> cost.
>
> But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not
> hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk.
> I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that
> they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
>
> If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free
> to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better
> than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in
> life.
> ----------------------------------------
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
> Personal: [email protected]
> AMCS: [email protected] or [email protected]
>
>
>
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Thank you, Mark:)
Mimi
Sent from my iPhone
On May 13, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
> For those who do not have this issue of Texas Caver, it (and all
> others) are available at the Karst Information Portal
> <http://www.karstportal.org/taxonomy/term/1025>, specifically
> <http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1990-v35-n03.pdf>.
>
> Mark
>
> At 01:36 PM 5/12/2013, Mimi Jasek wrote:
>> For any who haven't read it, look at the June 1990 issue of the Texas Caver,
>> pages 67-69. Lessons to be learned! If he ever scanned one of my pictures of
>> the injury, maybe he'll post it on FB. Awful!
>>
>> Mimi
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 12, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Bill Steele <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Pray tell, what happened and in what cave?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Mimi Jasek <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, I'm going to give my two cents on caving on Mother's Day:)
>>>
>>> If you are married with kids, stay home or be with your family! Give mom a
>>> break. Any who truly know me know that my cave man has always been able to
>>> go when and where he wanted - even on holidays. Some of his younger friends
>>> used to say that he was the only married father they knew who didn't just
>>> have a really long leash - their words exactly! - he had none whatsoever!!
>>>
>>> Yet on Mother's Day 23 years ago, that freedom nearly cost him his life in
>>> a terrible caving accident that took him a year plus to fully recover from,
>>> although he now suffers in other ways from his injuries. So that day has,
>>> to this day, had a different meaning altogether.
>>>
>>> Happy to still have my cave man,
>>>
>>> Mimi Jasek
>>
>> Please reply to [email protected]
>> Permanent email address is [email protected]
>
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I didn't see anyone post anything about the last Kiwi Sink dig, and I
wanted to say
some more than I previously posted, so the link below has my version of
pieces of the events that
took place.
It is long-winded, so I thought I would try the blog style of presenting
it. It has been about
3 years since I tried blogging, so I don't know if I am doing it right.
http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/
Just don't click on it please, if you are not interested.
I am going to try to make next Sunday's dig at Kiwi Sink.
David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County, Texas
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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Actually, Gill did post something - diggers, barrels and rocks removed etc -
and since it is his project, I would imagine that all who help leave it up to
the "pit boss" to post what he feels needs to be put out there for public
consumption. If folks want to know more, let them come help:)
Mimi Jasek
Mimi Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
On May 13, 2013, at 10:04 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't see anyone post anything about the last Kiwi Sink dig, and I wanted
> to say
> some more than I previously posted, so the link below has my version of
> pieces of the events that
> took place.
>
> It is long-winded, so I thought I would try the blog style of presenting it.
> It has been about
> 3 years since I tried blogging, so I don't know if I am doing it right.
>
> http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/
>
> Just don't click on it please, if you are not interested.
>
> I am going to try to make next Sunday's dig at Kiwi Sink.
>
> David Locklear
> caver in Fort Bend County, Texas
> 281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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