texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2013 23:22:23 -0000 Issue 1782
Topics (messages 22017 through 22039):
Viewing Honey Creek Video
22017 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
22018 by: Ted Samsel
galen falgout
22019 by: galen falgout
Are we being spammed?
22020 by: Louise Power
22021 by: Don Arburn
22022 by: Sheryl Rieck
22023 by: Stefan Creaser
22025 by: Mimi Jasek
22033 by: Mike Burrell
Spam for TCR anyone?
22024 by: Stefan Creaser
Another milestone
22026 by: Mimi Jasek
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?
22027 by: Jacqueline Thomas
22028 by: Don Arburn
22031 by: Stefan Creaser
22036 by: Julia Germany
Re: tourist capacity
22029 by: Marvin and Lisa
22030 by: George D. Nincehelser
Re: latest Mars photo
22032 by: Gill Edigar
Raising a glass in remembrance of Bustamonte
22034 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
Raising a glass in remembrance of Grutas de Garcia!
22035 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
Loving County
22037 by: Sam Young
2013 NSS Convention -- Check it out!
22038 by: NSS Announcements
a personal response to various emails
22039 by: David
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Greetings, When this was first posted it was accessible by clicking on URL
below. It now seems to require a password or logon to Facebook. I am not on
Facebook but would like to have access. Can someone give me some help with
this. It is a great video.
Robert Burnett Rune
http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU
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It needs need a Youtube password. It's been made private
Ted
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Greetings, When this was first posted it was accessible by clicking on URL
> below. It now seems to require a password or logon to Facebook. I am not on
> Facebook but would like to have access. Can someone give me some help with
> this. It is a great video.
>
> Robert Burnett Rune
>
> http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU
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ttaf http://rodrigues-lecactus.com/ppswt/ifj/yxffj/tqbh.htm
galen falgout
yhdx
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I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others are
getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set very
high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links look
suspicious.
Louise
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Yes, spam.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others
> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set
> very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
> genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links
> look suspicious.
>
> Louise
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Yes, I too have been getting spam.
Sent from my iPhone-Resistance was futile.
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others
> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set
> very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
> genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links
> look suspicious.
>
> Louise
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Some people on the list have been hacked.
Rightly so, don't click on those links.
-Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:07 PM
To: texas cavers; [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?
I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others are
getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set very
high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links look
suspicious.
Louise
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This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when
contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his
mail list!
Mimi Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others
> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set
> very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
> genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links
> look suspicious.
>
> Louise
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Yes, I got one of those from another caver the other day and I tried
to return it with a message asking if he really sent it or if it was
spam. When I tried to send it back it started taking too long so I got
worried and pulled the plug on the internet, restarted my computer
and deleted every hint of it I could find.
Mike
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Don Arburn wrote:
Yes, spam.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>
wrote:
I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to
be other cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me.
I can see others are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox
since I have my filters set very high and I don't click on links
from suspicious emails. Anybody know the genesis of these? Some of
the names I recognize, but as I said, the links look suspicious.
Louise
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Surely we can give it a nice smoky flavour?
-Stefan
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Reached and survived! My cave man turned 72 today and spent a part of it as he
loves - underground caving, digging, and taking pictures. I took a vacation day
to be with him, we grabbed a late lunch with daughter and friend in north
Austin, then headed home. On to next year!
Mimi Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
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Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
> This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when
> contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his
> mail list!
>
> Mimi Jasek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
>> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others
>> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters
>> set very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody
>> know the genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the
>> links look suspicious.
>>
>> Louise
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Get it? SPAM for TCR? From our cook? Spam spam spam spam..
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jacqueline Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui
>
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
>
>> This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when
>> contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his
>> mail list!
>>
>> Mimi Jasek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be
>>> other cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see
>>> others are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my
>>> filters set very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails.
>>> Anybody know the genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I
>>> said, the links look suspicious.
>>>
>>> Louise
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Can i "like" this post?
________________________________________
From: Don Arburn [[email protected]]
Sent: 19 June 2013 21:13
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?
Get it? SPAM for TCR? From our cook? Spam spam spam spam..
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jacqueline Thomas
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when
contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his
mail list!
Mimi Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others are
getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set very
high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links look
suspicious.
Louise
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been getting them on aol as well. some wind up in my SPAM folder, and some
don't. Utilizing the preview pane, I don't even have to open the email to know
it's spam, because I can see the link. DELETE!
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From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
To: Louise Power <[email protected]>
Cc: swr <[email protected]>; texas cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 1:44 am
Subject: Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?
It's been pretty much limited to folks with Yahoo accounts. So it looks like a
Yahoo problem. Needless to say, it's alwAys a good idea not to click on those
weird links.
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, "Louise Power" <[email protected]> wrote:
I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other
cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others are
getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters set very
high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody know the
genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the links look
suspicious.
Louise
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I hope Moni knows about David !
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From: David Locklear [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:50 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: tourist capacity
Since tourist have to stay on the trail, you first have to calculate the
area in square meters of the entire trail. Presume it is just a very long
rectangle. Then imagine each tourist is a circle with a diameter of 1
meter.
So how many 1 meter diameter circles can you fit in the imaginary rectangle
?
Then you have to multiply number that by 0.80 because 20 % of the passage
will have natural and man-made obstacles.
Then you have to consider are there wheel-chaired tourist. And is the path
one-way or two-way or three-way.
And you have to figure in how many restrooms you have, how fast the tour
moves. And how many emergency exits are there ? Or if there is a
"teleferico" or elevator.
And with any math #, you just have to multiply or divide the traditional pi
number to get a number that sounds logical.
The number always comes out to be around 100, plus or minus one.
David Locklear
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To calculate this properly you should first assume spherical cows in a
vacuum.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>wrote:
> I’d have thought the capacity could be calculated by seeing how many you
> could fit in there before they ran out of air and stopped breathing ;-)***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> Stefan****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Locklear [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:50 PM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Re: tourist capacity****
>
> ** **
>
> Since tourist have to stay on the trail, you first have to calculate the
> area in square meters of the entire trail. Presume it is just a very long
> rectangle. Then imagine each tourist is a circle with a diameter of 1
> meter.
>
> So how many 1 meter diameter circles can you fit in the imaginary
> rectangle ?
>
> Then you have to multiply number that by 0.80 because 20 % of the passage
> will have natural and man-made obstacles.
>
> Then you have to consider are there wheel-chaired tourist. And is the
> path one-way or two-way or three-way.
>
> And you have to figure in how many restrooms you have, how fast the tour
> moves. And how many emergency exits are there ? Or if there is a
> "teleferico" or elevator.
>
> And with any math #, you just have to multiply or divide the traditional
> pi number to get a number that sounds logical.
>
> The number always comes out to be around 100, plus or minus one.
>
> David Locklear****
>
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There are about 8 obvious 'drop forming' downward pointed drippy-looking
details in the photo, all about the same size and confirmation. They look
more like lava drips than limestone speleothems.
--Ediger
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.spaceflight101.com/uploads/6/4/0/6/6406961/7960414_orig.jpg
>
> Is that a very tiny speleothem on the right ?
>
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The great cave of Bustamonte looms large in the overstuffed memory of many
of us who have spent time in Mexico. Some of you may not approve of my
remembrance, but the statute of limitations must surely have passed by now
despite the fact that I can't remember the date. In fact, I'm not even certain
we are talking about the same place. It is in the desert north of Monterrey
and was accessed by means of a spectacular funicular, right? Or am I
thinking of the huge cave in the anticline? Damned if I know.
Whichever cave it was, no one was around so I simply went in by myself
then down the long sloping passage strung with a dead lighting system
reminiscent of the galvanic system used to revivify Frankenstein. Beyond the
end of
lights I kept on going until I reached a grotto wherein there was a shrine
to Hey Zeus (Which is no doubt how he got his name. They saw the Jewboy
wandering the temple with a halo behind his head and somebody said, "Hey,
that must be Zeus!") But I digress.
There were countless votive candles of the sort you can buy in WalMart
only Mexican, the wax from which formed speleothems identical to those
composed of calcite. There were offerings of all sorts scattered about, money,
ribbons, cigarettes, dead flowers, and dried up shots of rotgut aguardiente.
These were similar to the offerings left at the tiny "spirit houses" often
found on Thai doorsteps. The Buddha might be aloof, but the lesser animistic
deities are always hungry for propitiation.
There is something about a sacred space that inspires the Weazel to loot
the place, so I selected two of the tall candle glasses, one of which was
entitled "Sagrada Corazon de Jesus", and the other, "Mano Poderosa". My
Spanglish is limited so I couldn't make much sense of the rest of the
inscriptions on the glasses. I later showed them to several fluent Spanish
speakers
and they assured me that the inscriptions didn't make a bit of sense because
the person who made them was illiterate.
The votive candle glasses were empty of wax but full of money. I figured
that Jesus needed the money more than I did, and besides, this was during
the days of the devaluation of the peso, so I poured the pesos into a pile
and tucked my trophies into my pack.
Back at home I cleaned them up. Since they were sacred objects I put them
to the use which god intended, to serve as holy vessels for the serving of
"Girl drinks", thus named for the ability to knock the panties off a Nun.
Here is how to make a girl drink: First a goodly measure of good rum, I
personally recommend Flor de Cana. Then an equal measure of tonic since
malaria is an ever present threat to those who travel south of the border.
Squeeze in half a fresh Persian lime (limon in Mexico) then stir. Fill the
very
tall glass to the top with crushed ice, stir once more, then let the drink
mellow while you roll up some Michoacan madness. Hand the drink to the Nun
in question. The sequence of events will be similar to those immortalized
in the country music song, "Tequila makes her clothes fall off".
There is no way to even begin to estimate the number of girl drinks that
have been thus served over the years. Suffice it to say that the
inscriptions are barely legible, all the lead from the paint having long since
been
ingested or rubbed off by fingers clutching the sweaty glass.
At this very moment both tall glasses take pride of place next to my bong
on the shelf reserved for sacred relics. I bring them out whenever there is
a special occasion, but any occasion will do. In fact I plan to fix myself
a stiff drink tonight for I am but a lesbian trapped in a man's body and
thus fully entitled to the honor of sipping from the sacred glasses pilfered
from the bowels of Bustamonte.
Sleazeweazel
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I stand corrected. Charlie Loving informs me that the cave with a train
going uphill at about 45 degrees to the entrance was Grutas de Garcia, not
Bustamonte. My memory is a bit fuzzy on all this but I didn't imagine it, the
sacred glasses are in the dish drainer at this very moment!
Charlie, are you a descendant of Oliver Loving of the famous Goodnight
Loving trail? I have just read that Loving county Texas has the smallest
population of any county in the entire United States. How cool! Maybe I should
move there? Are there any trees?
Sleaze
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Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_County,_Texas
......... Sam
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There is a convention coming, and coming soon, to south-central Pennsylvania!
http://nss2013.caves.org/
Cavers from Pennsylvania and surrounding states?and even some
not-so-near states--have worked diligently to bring the Annual NSS
Convention back to Pennsylvania, something many cavers from the
Keystone State are too young to remember, especially if you were born
after our nation's Bicentennial.
The forthcoming convention includes an anniversary celebration of the
Mid-Appalachian Region, a Howdy Party, campground party, banquet, and
more. It should be a not-to-miss event this summer.
And of course, get a Convention Guidebook:
?Pennsylvania Caves: A Guide to the Caves of the Shippensburg Area,?
edited by Kim & Tom Metzgar, Walt Hamm, and Kerry Speelman, contains
more than 300 pages of maps, descriptions, history, and information
about caving in the Shippensburg area, as well as an overview/history
of caving in the state. There are more than 80 pages of maps,
descriptions and photos of caves just in the Shippensburg area, alone.
Contributing photographers include Alan Horn and Gordon Ley, whose
work was featured in last year's Convention Guidebook. Pennsylvania
has many cavers who have been deeply involved with the NSS over the
years. The Convention Guidebook offers a brief summary of their
efforts.
Have you seen a bunch of maps in places like "The NSS News" by someone
named Bernie Smeltzer? Read about Bernie and see many examples of his
work in caves that you will be visiting.
Want to know something about a Pennsylvania grotto? Each grotto in
the state was asked to contribute a history. This section also
includes a history of former grottos.
Did you know Pennsylvania has a cave protection law? The work of York
Grotto, and of NSS member Judi Stack (among others) was crucial in
getting this law passed. There is a history of the Pennsylvania cave
law in the guidebook.
Ever heard of Hosterman's Pit and wonder why you can't go there? A
chapter on the history of cave conservation will tell you why.
Want to know what the 25 longest and deepest caves are in the state?
You know where to look?
Want to know what the most cave-rich counties in Pennsylvania are?
Also included. (*note* the guidebook chart on cave-rich counties
dispels the myth that all of the caves are a long way from Convention.)
Want to do a 400-plus foot deep cave in a county close to the
convention site? There will be led trips to Big Ridge Cave. Yes? We
DO have vertical caves here!
Are show caves, or former show caves, your thing? The guidebook has
you covered? And so does the Cave Booth volunteer crew. There will be
led trips to one of the most spectacular caves in the state, Alexander
Caverns, a former show cave. Another former show cave, Baker Caverns
(entrance in the basement of a house), will be open one day only
during Convention for special led trips.
The Pennsylvania show cave owners have banded together, not just to
support the Convention with ads in the program books, but to show
their support to NSS members by offering discounts to cavers
presenting their NSS card or their convention registration ID, at the
time of Convention only.
Are you a geology fan? Will & Bette White have completed an excellent
chapter for the Convention Guidebook covering the geology of the
Shippensburg area. In addition, Katie Schmid of the Loyalhanna
Grotto and Thomas Feeney, a professor at Shippensburg University who
is currently studying Cleversburg Sink, have planned a great geology
field trip with a well-timed stop at Cleversburg.
Jim Hart and Charlie Eichelberger have the Biology Section covered.
Come find out about the latest cutting-edge research on the biology of
caves and karst.
History buffs might also find interesting a never-before-published
documentary of Pennsylvania's link to not one, not two, but FIVE
Mammoth Cave guidebook authors who have ties to the state.
Pre-register so you can be sure to get a Convention Guidebook. There
will be PLENTY to see and do in Pennsylvania this summer.
WELCOME!
http://nss2013.caves.org/
http://www.caves.org/info/events.shtml
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I thought about typing a long-winded response to Marvin's recent post, but
figured
it would be simpler to just post a link to my Craigslist personal ad.
http://houston.craigslist.org/m4w/3884313625.html
Several of you asked what I do for a living and why my career makes me
so grumpy.
I deliver court invitations to people that do not want to be invited to
court, and 90% of
that is for DWI court cases related to the driver's license suspension.
There are 4 other
people in the Houston area that do what I do, but their services are
slightly different from
mine, so I don't really compete with them directly. I have been
self-employed for almost
16 years, but quite often, I am really unemployed pretending to be
self-employed, but that
is primarily because I do not have the capital or the cash-flow to run a
legitimate business.
Below is my Linkedin page, business Facebook page. I do not have a
web-site.
http://www.facebook.com/david.locklear.52012
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47912285&trk=tab_pro
Haven't had any luck with Google+ yet, but people can connect with me there
at
https://plus.google.com/114049055921758471368/about
Hope to see you all out at Kiwi Sink, but at the moment my "suegra" is
pestering
me to drive her to Reynosa, Mexico with a truckload of garage-sale crap
that she
has accumulated the past 3 months. I will most likely drive straight
from there to
the cave, if I drive her down there. I expect to be in either Reynosa
or Nuevo Laredo
Friday night and Saturday morning. My phone doesn't work down there.
But I can
get text messages close to the border at 281-995-8487.
David Locklear
Ref:
http://www.soah.state.tx.us/about-us/alr/index.asp
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