texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2013 02:20:15 -0000 Issue 1806
Topics (messages 22212 through 22224):
book review: caves of the Venezuelan tapuis
22212 by: Mixon Bill
revised book review
22213 by: Mixon Bill
22214 by: George Veni
WNS in Canada
22215 by: Lyndon Tiu
Brno!
22216 by: Espeleo Coahuila
Precautions for visiting Mallory
22217 by: caverarch
Re: old member trying to find another old member
22218 by: Lyndon Tiu
22219 by: Diana Tomchick
22221 by: Fritz Holt
22222 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
Mallory:Last night's report from Caleb
22220 by: caverarch
Mallory's friend Jamie reports at ca. 4:00 PM
22223 by: caverarch
22224 by: caverarch
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"Venezuelan Tapuis: Their Caves and Biota." Edited by Roman Aubrecht
and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN
978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.academia.edu/3462814/Venezuelan_tepui_-_their_caves_and_biota
.
The tapuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite
and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel
Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large
and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major
on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de
Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on
the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in
figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves
have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated
to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has
something to do with their formation.
Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a
scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many
color photographs of unusual surface and underground features.
Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area,
there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most
general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis,
although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections
cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition,
such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation
of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about
thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects
both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages
of fine print.
To download the PDF file (30 MB with compressed illustrations), you'll
need to sign up for something called academia.edu. It is free. I don't
know yet how much of a nuisance belonging to it will be; presumably
there's some more or, probably, less obvious way to cancel your
registration. If you are the sort of person who belongs to Facebook
downloading may be easier. The color photographs are a very important
part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if you want to
make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the PDF file does
not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left-hand pages all
appear on the right. Before making a two-sided printout, add the blank
page or delete the cover page.—Bill Mixon
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I discovered a better source for that book on the caves of the tepuis.
This one has no hassles and gives a choice of file sizes. Here's
revised review.
"Venezuelan Tepuis: Their Caves and Biota." Edited by Roman Aubrecht
and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN
978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.geopaleo.fns.uniba.sk/ageos/monograph/aubrecht_et_al_2012_en.php
.
The tepuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite
and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel
Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large
and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major
on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de
Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on
the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in
figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves
have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated
to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has
something to do with their formation.
Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a
scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many
color photographs of unusual surface and underground features.
Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area,
there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most
general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis,
although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections
cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition,
such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation
of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about
thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects
both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages
of fine print.
There are other sources on the web besides the one given above. Some
require joining something or logging in. The one listed does not, and
gives a choice of 160, 30, or 10 MB files with different degrees of
compression of the illustrations. The color photographs are a very
important part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if
you want to make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the
PDF file does not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left-
hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a two-sided
printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.—Bill Mixon
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rested, the Devil created religion.
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Thanks Bill.
I've forwarded your messages to get the book also posted on the Karst
Information Portal (www.karstportal.org). I don't know what the current waiting
time is before it gets posted, but I would guess within a week but maybe longer
because it's summer and people may be away on vacation.
For everyone's information, posting on the Portal always takes extra time
because the team does a lot of behind-the-scenes magic that optimizes each file
for accessibility, discoverability, and functionality, including with digital
tools that are currently in development.
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]
www.nckri.org
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From: Mixon Bill [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 10:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] revised book review
I discovered a better source for that book on the caves of the tepuis.
This one has no hassles and gives a choice of file sizes. Here's revised review.
"Venezuelan Tepuis: Their Caves and Biota." Edited by Roman Aubrecht and Ján
Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN 978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11
inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at
http://www.geopaleo.fns.uniba.sk/ageos/monograph/aubrecht_et_al_2012_en.php
.
The tepuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite and
sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel Falls, the
world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large and unusual karst
features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300
meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long.
The helicopters sitting on the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El
Fantasma in figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the
caves have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated to
before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has something to do
with their formation.
Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a scientific
monograph, but even the most technical sections have many color photographs of
unusual surface and underground features.
Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area, there is
a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most general interest is a
survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis, although the only maps are
small-scale outline maps. Other sections cover water chemistry and curious
speleothems of unusual composition, such as silica. Geomicrobiology is
apparently involved in the creation of some of the formations. The final
chapter, on biota, is about thirty-eight pages long and covers only land
snails, aquatic insects both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is
fourteen pages of fine print.
There are other sources on the web besides the one given above. Some require
joining something or logging in. The one listed does not, and gives a choice of
160, 30, or 10 MB files with different degrees of compression of the
illustrations. The color photographs are a very important part of the book, but
it will be expensive to print out if you want to make a color hardcopy. If you
do print it, note that the PDF file does not contain the blank back of the
cover, so the left- hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a
two-sided printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.-Bill Mixon
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Devil created religion.
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Lyndon Tiu
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Hi friends, is only to say hello from Brno!!
Jocie Strikland she arrived today in the morning.
and Geoff Hoese and Aime Beveridge arrive a few minutes ago.... me and
Emerson arrived to days ago...
hugs... and thanks for your help
Moni
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LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora)
Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia)
Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia)
Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia)
Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora)
Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia)
045-844-1478311 cel.
monicaponce1 by skype.
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We all want to visit Mallory soon when she's awake but for now, while she
remains in a coma, this is a very important point to keep in mind in regard to
visits right now:
We spent very little time visiting Mal herself; I was very concerned about
making that pressure number go too high!
Caleb, I believe, said that it is best to avoid stimulating her in any way
because even though she appears deeply unconscious, she can still react to
stimulus, and that reaction can cause her cranial pressure to rise. So by all
means send her your best thoughts and wishes while visiting, but send them at a
whisper.
Roger
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Anyone know where Robin Barber is today?
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From: Ellen Eakin <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Subject: old member trying to find another old member
I'm really sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for Robin
Barber. I had briefly been a member and did one trip to Mexico in '99 with
Mary Thiesse and then dropped out. But my first cave trip with this grotto
was with Robin. I remember Kevin McGowan being one of the officers.
Anyway, it was a long time ago so this is a long shot. TIA.
Ellen Eakin
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Lyndon Tiu
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Last I heard was that she still works for Lockheed Martin up here in Ft. Worth,
and that she now is involved in showing dogs. She may be a lurker on this list
serve, so perhaps she will directly respond to Ellen.
Diana
..................................
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Dept. of Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
(214) 645-6383 (office)
(214) 418-5827 (cell)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:17 PM, "Lyndon Tiu"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Anyone know where Robin Barber is today?
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From: Ellen Eakin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Subject: old member trying to find another old member
I'm really sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for Robin Barber. I
had briefly been a member and did one trip to Mexico in '99 with Mary Thiesse
and then dropped out. But my first cave trip with this grotto was with Robin.
I remember Kevin McGowan being one of the officers. Anyway, it was a long time
ago so this is a long shot. TIA.
Ellen Eakin
--
Lyndon Tiu
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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I don't know Robin Barber but while we are on this subject, I have a similar
question. Does anyone know the whereabouts or status of Bob Hudson? He was a
well known caver in the 50's and 60's. I accompanied Jimmy Walker and Bob on
one of the earliest trips into The Caverns of Sonora (then Mayfield Cave) in
about December, 1955. Jimmy lost track of Bob in the 60's and assumes he is
dead. Does anyone have a suggestion on learning his status? Thanks, Fritz Holt
PS - I have been in my new (old) home just north of Dripping Springs since
June, 2012 and am loving it. The small acreage (64) is called The Triple Creek
Ranch and has extra bedrooms and baths. Caver friends are welcome. I will take
you for a tour of the beautiful creek bottom on my mule, (Kawasaki). 12737
Silver Creek Rd., Dripping Springs, TX 78620. Fritz
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anyone know where Robin Barber is today?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ellen Eakin <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM
> Subject: old member trying to find another old member
>
> I'm really sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for Robin Barber.
> I had briefly been a member and did one trip to Mexico in '99 with Mary
> Thiesse and then dropped out. But my first cave trip with this grotto was
> with Robin. I remember Kevin McGowan being one of the officers. Anyway, it
> was a long time ago so this is a long shot. TIA.
>
> Ellen Eakin
>
>
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
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Carl Kunath and I tried to locate Bob some years ago and were pretty convinced
that we found his death certificate on file with Social Security.
Jerry.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't know Robin Barber but while we are on this subject, I have a similar
> question. Does anyone know the whereabouts or status of Bob Hudson? He was a
> well known caver in the 50's and 60's. I accompanied Jimmy Walker and Bob on
> one of the earliest trips into The Caverns of Sonora (then Mayfield Cave) in
> about December, 1955. Jimmy lost track of Bob in the 60's and assumes he is
> dead. Does anyone have a suggestion on learning his status? Thanks, Fritz Holt
>
> PS - I have been in my new (old) home just north of Dripping Springs since
> June, 2012 and am loving it. The small acreage (64) is called The Triple
> Creek Ranch and has extra bedrooms and baths. Caver friends are welcome. I
> will take you for a tour of the beautiful creek bottom on my mule,
> (Kawasaki). 12737 Silver Creek Rd., Dripping Springs, TX 78620. Fritz
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know where Robin Barber is today?
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ellen Eakin <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM
>> Subject: old member trying to find another old member
>>
>> I'm really sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for Robin Barber.
>> I had briefly been a member and did one trip to Mexico in '99 with Mary
>> Thiesse and then dropped out. But my first cave trip with this grotto was
>> with Robin. I remember Kevin McGowan being one of the officers. Anyway, it
>> was a long time ago so this is a long shot. TIA.
>>
>> Ellen Eakin
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lyndon Tiu
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Update: Mal had a pretty rough night. Her brain pressure spiked and her brain
fluid had to be drained multiple times. The day was pretty stable, only having
to be drained once. Her white blood cell count is high, so they're doing some
cultures to see if there's any infection. We've had better days, we've had
worse - Mal will prevail!
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"Leaving Houston. Mal is holding pretty stable, just a couple ICP spikes in
last couple days, it's a very slow process. She still has too much brain
swelling to try to take her out of the coma just yet. Plan is to hopefully
start slowly bringing her out of it mid week if everything else is still
holding normal. Prognosis is still completely uncertain. Please continue to
pray for her. It's a very sad situation, but all of her family and friends are
very hopeful! "
Roger G. Moore
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It appears that there continues to be a problem with my posts about Mallory to
Texas Cavers as described by Jim Jasek below. It has to be a problem of carried
over formatting because I copied the message from another post on Mallory's
Facebook page. If I were on a PC I could paste it as plain text, but I'm not
sure how to do that on my ibook laptop. And I no longer maintain a desktop PC
at home. Sorry about that.
This text is perfectly visible on my end:
"Leaving Houston. Mal is holding pretty stable, just a couple ICP spikes in
last couple days, it's a very slow process. She still has too much brain
swelling to try to take her out of the coma just yet. Plan is to hopefully
start slowly bringing her out of it mid week if everything else is still
holding normal. Prognosis is still completely uncertain. Please continue to
pray for her. It's a very sad situation, but all of her family and friends are
very hopeful! "
Roger
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From: James Jasek <[email protected]>
To: Roger Moore <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jul 21, 2013 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mallory's friend Jamie reports at ca. 4:00 PM
Question? I am trying to figure out way the Font from you on my iPhone is not
readable? The type is all squeezed together and not readable. The reply you
just sent me is perfect. But ones you send out on Mallory are a problem? Got
any idea?
Jim
On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Roger Moore wrote:
I got this one!
Roger
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:07 PM, James Jasek <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger, I tried to send you an email but it bounced back?
Jim
On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:17 PM, caverarch wrote:
"Leaving Houston. Mal is holding pretty stable, just a couple ICP spikes in
last couple days, it's a very slow process. She still has too much brain
swelling to try to take her out of the coma just yet. Plan is to hopefully
start slowly bringing her out of it mid week if everything else is still
holding normal. Prognosis is still completely uncertain. Please continue to
pray for her. It's a very sad situation, but all of her family and friends are
very hopeful! "
Roger G. Moore
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