Reflections about Ken's, Harvey's, Peter's and other comments on this subject:

In an area where many of the caves are managed by federal agencies, the paperwork and regulations are increasing, reflecting the way the government operates (same thing happening at the gov't owned labs). Its inevitable. However, going caving for recreation or project-oriented work shouldn't be hampered, but maybe it is. Overly cautious WNS-concerns certainly has created a new set of overbearing requirements, but I shouldn't be a judge of that due to my own ignorance. Since I have been caving in NM for "only" 20 years, I don't know what it used to be like without permits and gates, etc.

I have personally become more of a project-oriented caver in NM, than I was in the east when I was going caving just to see more caves. It has opened doors to exploring caves, mapping and going to places that I wouldn't have otherwise. I am taking the opportunities that are here and adjusting my own caving to fit as best as I can. This means some sacrifices including going on recreational caving trips less often. Its a personal thing, and it isn't intended to exclude like-minded cavers from joining with me. Myself and 3 other (younger) cavers in our grotto have become hard-working surveyors/explorers in both Lechuguilla Cave and in Ft Stanton cave, not because they were lucky or in the right place at the right time, but because they were given an opportunity one time and quickly figured out that they wanted to do this more. There have been plenty of one-time cavers who just wanted to say they had been there, but never returned with a long-term commitment. The same sort of thing happens in GypKap and in other projects. If we see names on maps and reports more often, its because they are the cavers sacrificing personal time to do this work, who love doing it.

As for the work being done at FSC by the FSCSP, it may appear at first glance that there is a elite cadre of cavers or armchair-cavers who are making all the discoveries and producing scientific results. The application of scientific methods to understanding the cave is naturally going to come from people, either current or retired from technical careers, as we have. I would venture to suggest that this group has been very accommodating to include a variety of volunteers, cavers of all experience levels. The digging of P7 and later the even bigger Don Sawyer/Mud Turtle connection shaft was a big engineering undertaking. We should applaud the hard work of many cavers from NM, AZ, TX, CO and other areas who helped make these access routes to discover Snowy River, still going on and on. This significant new area will probably never be open to recreational caving, due to the delicate nature. To get in it, requires talking to the project leaders and teams and joining in to help. The far end of south SR is taking its toll on cavers, and has caused the number of capable local cavers going there to dwindle to a dozen more or less. This is strictly due to the extreme length and physical toll it takes. Younger cavers are of course more capable in these aspects and will be the future explorers of this and other difficult caves in the region. The rest of us old farts will have to sit it out and complain about not going.

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