texascavers Digest 7 Jul 2012 13:56:56 -0000 Issue 1586
Topics (messages 20314 through 20328):
Maya
20314 by: Mark Minton
Re: 2012 NSS Convention Photos
20315 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
20317 by: Louise Power
20320 by: Mark Minton
Sinkhole Conference deadlines and announcements
20316 by: George Veni
Kiwi Sink
20318 by: Gill Edigar
A request from an old-time Texas Archaeologist..
20319 by: Ted Samsel
Re: Celebration of Life
20321 by: Stefan Creaser
Re: Parking at Church for Nick's Celebration of Life
20322 by: Joe & Evelynn Mitchell
Bat News
20323 by: Lyndon Tiu
Mexican drug wars
20324 by: Mixon Bill
20325 by: freddie poer
20326 by: Brewskyjba
20327 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
20328 by: Ted Samsel
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A second archaeological reference has been found to the end
date of the Maya calendar. It does not portend any doom and gloom.
<http://phys.org/news/2012-06-maya-archaeologists-unearth-monument.html>
<http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_062812.cfm>
Mark
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You mean those on Facebook
REB
From: Brian Freyling
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:22 PM
To: Texascavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 NSS Convention Photos
Don't forget to share your Conventions photos for all to see!
MayaCon 2012 Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/152880844775941/
Thanks,
-Brian Freyling
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Oops! You have to login to look. Not gonna happin.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:49:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 NSS Convention Photos
You mean those on Facebook
REB
From: Brian Freyling
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:22 PM
To: Texascavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 NSS Convention Photos
Don't
forget to share your Conventions photos for all to see!
MayaCon 2012
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/152880844775941/
Thanks,
-Brian
Freyling
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Surely the NSS has a more universally accessible place to
post photos than Facebook! They should be on the NSS' own web
site. Put a link to that on Facebook for those folks, but please
keep it open to everyone!
Mark Minton
At 08:46 PM 7/5/2012, Louise Power wrote:
Oops! You have to login to look. Not gonna happin.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:49:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 NSS Convention Photos
You mean those on Facebook
REB
From: Brian Freyling
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:22 PM
To: Texascavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 NSS Convention Photos
Don't forget to share your Conventions photos for all to see!
MayaCon 2012 Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/152880844775941/
Thanks,
-Brian Freyling
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Dear Friends,
The 13th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and
Environmental Impacts of Karst (the "Sinkhole Conference") will be held on
6-10 May 2013 in Carlsbad, New Mexico. This message is to inform or remind
you of three important things:
1) Abstract deadline: 15 August 2012. Abstracts received by the
deadline will be promptly reviewed and, if accepted, the authors will be
invited to submit full papers.
2) Student scholarship available: In honor of the late Dr. Barry Beck
who created this Sinkhole Conference series, a scholarship has been
established in his name for students wishing to attend the conference. The
deadline for applications is also 15 August 2012 and complete details can be
found on page 8 in the.
3) Conference 2nd Circular: This circular contains all of the latest
information on the Sinkhole Conference, including the registration form
(on-line registration is coming soon). You can download or view the circular
at https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/home under
"Announcements."
Please share this information with anyone you think may be interested. On
behalf of the many good people on the Sinkhole Conference Organizing
Committee, we hope to see you in Carlsbad next May!
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
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Kiwi Sink Digging Projects will be held on Sundays, the 8th and 22nd
of July. Just park at Ernie Garza's, 444 Billie Brooks Lane,
Driftwood, TX 78619. If you GPS note spelling of Billie. The sinkhole
is across the street. We have some digging tools but if you have any
you especially like to use bring them along. Show up at 10 a.m. or
later. Bring a friend or two and maybe a sandwich and a beer. There's
plenty of work to be done. For info email or call me at 410-303-1177.
NO TEXT MESSAGES! Please!
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Al Wesowlowsky asks this: (Al is currently retired in Vermont is drawing
and archiving/curating) comic /graphic novel art. Anyone have a handle on
this booger?
*Ca. 1968, the Cavers at UT produced a short comic book by Charlie Loving.
It was printed in blue, stapled, ca. 8.5 by 11 inches, maybe 12 pages. The
stories included one about "Chad Chert," a character based on Chad Oliver,
and there was a "cavers do's and don'ts" page. The title may have been
something like "The Cavers Meet the Anthropologists."
Jonathan Davis gave me a copy, and I foolishly gave it some 25 years ago to
Tom Hester, who relayed it to the late Mott Davis.
I'm very interested in locating a copy that I can borrow to scan for a
friend who is researching comics about spelunking. I don't suppose you have
one? Or are you in contact with Old Cavers who might still possess one and
be willing to loan it for a week or so? Maybe Charlie has a copy stashed
away? *
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Vico and I are gonna cook a big batch of beef for tacos and, um, something I've
forgotten (at least Vico knows what it is!), so there >should< be plenty of
food. If anyone wants to bring fixin's for these it'd be appreciated; msg or
email me for suggestions :-)
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Linda Palit [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:12 AM
Cc: Texas Cavers List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Celebration of Life
If you want to stay the evening, we will find you a place to crash. If you are
coming, please drop me a note so we have enough food, and please bring lawn
chairs.
Thanks,
Linda
On Sunday, July 1, 2012, Jenni Arburn wrote:
I'm sorry that I forgot not everyone is into Face Book. Thanks, Joe Ranzau for
the reminder.
Dear Friends, Family and Misc Loved Ones: Allan Cobb and Linda Palit have very
graciously provided us with space to celebrate Nick's life on Saturday, July 7
at 1122 Haltown, San Antonio, 78213. We welcome everyone who touched his life
from 11AM to about 4PM. Please being your own chairs, a potluck dish, happy
memories and photos to share. We'll have a keg of Shiner beer to toast with and
brisket. Don and I look forward to seeing you there. Hugs!
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> Update on parking for tomorrow.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Ann Scott <[email protected]>
>> Date: July 6, 2012 1:16:29 PM CDT
>> To: Evelynn Mitchell <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Parking at Church for Nick's Celebration of Life
>>
>> Parking is available at the church a couple blocks away. It's at the
>> northwest corner of Melissa Drive and Blanco Road south of Haltown Drive.
>>
>> Fourth Church of Christ
>> 903 Melissa Drive
>> San Antonio, TX 78213
>>
>> Please call Linda at: 210-699-1388 or Allan at: 512 694 5433 and some one
>> will come and pick you up. Unless you wish to walk...
>
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http://www.click2houston.com/news/Got-mosquitoes-Bats-will-help-get-rid-of-them/-/1735978/15429584/-/vlouty/-/index.html
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For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth.
From the article:
"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic
bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The
street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four
billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in
history. But was it true?...
"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-
lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars'
worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well,
no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it
was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons
of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some
confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas
tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for
the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven
pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing,
according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there
had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand
dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight
thousand?"
I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon
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things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.
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It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted,
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho,
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S.,
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon
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science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything
works." That's when I wake up.
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For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio
Grande in the middle.......You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something.
News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed. Even reporters on
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is
going on. Thus mis-information.
I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings.
For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas.
Hum.......Where are the caves?
Bruce
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer <[email protected]> wrote:
> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed
> is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa
> versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is
> true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it
> firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American
> tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
>
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article
> in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that
> the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in
> Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of
> that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If
> true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid
> in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were
> the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I
> consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was
> pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported?
> Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A
> lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure
> meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman
> for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises
> Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen
> tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But
> it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal.
> In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth
> five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a
> factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your
> science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
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I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan Grillo.
The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since 2001
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated Press,
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He has
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys
general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico
City. El
Narco is his first book."
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
witnessed firsthand by me.
Bill Steele
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off
American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports
that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the
article:
"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
true?...
"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs.
Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I
consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth
was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely
reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor
chemicals.
A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of
pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man
named
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds.
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the
Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that
amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon
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Y'all should read Charles Bowden. a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden
And see the flick MISS BALA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala
I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde
There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Y&feature=related
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> **
> I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
> recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
> Grillo. The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
> since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
> Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
> Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
> seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
> attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
> in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book."
>
> Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
> to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
> are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
> are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
> witnessed firsthand by me.
>
> Bill Steele
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
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