texascavers Digest 23 May 2011 03:23:41 -0000 Issue 1318
Topics (messages 17849 through 17855):
Re: Forum? Cavechat!
17849 by: John Brooks
17852 by: Herman Miller
Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
17850 by: Louise Power
Re: A warning from the future
17851 by: Rod Goke
17853 by: Louise Power
17854 by: Rod Goke
17855 by: Mark Minton
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The TSA tried an online forum several years ago.....and Texas Cavers did not
use or support it.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 22, 2011, at 10:56 AM, R D Milhollin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why reinvent the wheel?
>
> www.forums.caves.org/
>
> --- On Sun, 5/22/11, Brandon Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Brandon Cook <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
> To:
> Cc: "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, May 22, 2011, 1:09 AM
>
> It's a shame there is not an online forum for caving... why is that? IMHO a
> forum solves these issues that many are bickering about, without the privacy
> issues.
>
> I personally think the list-serve is very lame and an out of date method of
> communication. I've canceled once, only to reluctantly came back because that
> seemed like the only way to get the info. I also think trying to replace it
> with Facebook is a bad idea for the many reasons mentioned.
>
> Forums allow anonymity if desired, can be setup to forward to email all or
> only interested "subscribed" threads or sub-forums, can be used to post news,
> events, pictures, videos, etc. There can be private threads if needed as
> well. Users may create their own threads which can be easily ignored without
> all the inbox spam.
>
> Best of all, the wealth of information provided by the contributors is
> cataloged and easily searchable for future reference. There is occasionally
> some really interesting stuff ya'll put out there on CaveTex, but mostly just
> fills my inbox with more garbage like this email (sorry).
>
> Take a look at http://www.cavediver.net/ if you need a good example. If it's
> know-how that's needed, I can put you in touch with a local, and very
> successful creator of many forums for direction.
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Best of luck sorting this out ;-)
>
> Brandon
>
> --- On Sun, 5/22/11, Rod Goke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
> To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Katherine Arens"
> <[email protected]>
> Cc: "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, May 22, 2011, 12:10 AM
>
>
> Katie and Charles both made good points on this issue. I agree with Charles
> that making Texascavers a member of Facebook would be likely to generate too
> much unwanted traffic and drive more people away, but what if it were done
> with a separate FB (Facebook) list, similar to the existing OT list, to which
> cavers could subscribe if they were interested?
>
> Regardless of whether or not this is done, I agree with Jim and others that
> announcements of general interest to cavers should be copied to the main
> Texascavers list even if they are posted to Facebook. The main reason for a
> separate FB list would be to give the Facebook enthusiasts a convenient way
> to copy messages to their caver friends who are not registered with Facebook,
> even when those messages are not sufficiently "on topic" to post on
> Texascavers.
>
> This might help somewhat to alleviate the split that has been growing
> recently within the caving community between those who want to use Facebook
> and those who do not. On one side, we have Facebook enthusiasts who are
> increasingly using Facebook to communicate with their caver friends and
> announce caving related events. They apparently either don't know or don't
> care much about the potential privacy pitfalls of Facebook and tend to assume
> that anyone who hasn't signed up for it has simply failed to do so out of
> ignorance about its benefits. On the other side, we have people (like myself)
> who have been resisting pressure to sign up for Facebook, because of concern
> about some of Facebook's privacy related policies and practices. In some
> cases, people may be reluctant to sign up strictly out of concern for their
> own privacy, and in other cases, people also may be concerned about the
> broader long range social implications of these policies and practices. After
> all, Facebook now has significantly more users than the entire population of
> the United States, so whatever it does can have major consequences, both
> nationally and internationally.
>
> Facebook hardly allows you to do anything until you "sign up", or register,
> with them, and this registration procedure demands your real name, email
> address, sex, and date of birth. Most troubling is the demand for your date
> of birth, since giving this information in combination with your name is
> technically similar to providing your social security number, in that, for
> most people, it forms a unique identifier which can be used to link whatever
> data Facebook has about you together with data about you in other databases.
> This information, like your social security number, has significant potential
> for misuse, either by identity thieves gaining unauthorized access to the
> data or by corporate and/or government entities using the database in ways
> you never anticipated. Consequently, it is information that should be given
> to a company only on a legitimate "need to know" basis, not just to any
> company that thinks it can generate more money from its database by including
> your date of birth. Facebook's sign up page claims that they require "all
> users to provide their real date of birth to encourage authenticity and
> provide only age-appropriate access to content," but, in my opinion, this
> hardly constitutes a legitimate "need to know." How does it "encourage
> authenticity" when people can just as easily lie about their date of birth as
> they can anything else? If they truly want the information to provide only
> age-appropriate access to content, then they could just as well ask whether
> your age falls within certain relevant ranges, without requiring your precise
> date of birth.
>
> A mechanism similar to what Katie suggested, but perhaps with a separate list
> to overcome the problem Charles mentioned, might help to bridge the gap
> between the users and the nonusers of Facebook within the caving community.
> Cavers concerned about Facebook's privacy issues might prefer to use this
> mechanism, just as people concerned about Google's privacy issues often
> prefer to use startpage.com or startingpage.com instead of google.com for
> their Google searches (something worth trying if you're not already familiar
> with it). I'm not sure whether or not the suggested mechanism would actually
> work out, but it's something for the cavers to consider if Charles is willing
> to look into it.
>
> Rod
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Goldsmith
> Sent: May 19, 2011 11:41 AM
> To: Katherine Arens
> Cc: [email protected], Mark Minton
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA-ANL, Facebook, and caving
>
> Katie, it COULD, but I won't do it, I'm sorry, facebook just doesn't have
> any proper filters in place, and it would just spam the list, driving more
> people away.
>
> Nice idea though.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Katherine Arens
> wrote:
>
> > Radical suggestion: could "[email protected]" become a member
> > of facebook? If so, then what "it" posts could be forwarded to the list . .
> > .
> > katie
> >
> >
> > Elegantly stated, Jim. I think David must spend more time on
> >> Facebook than most anyone I know, and I doubt he is representative of
> >> cavers
> >> in general. If people insist on using Facebook or any other social medium
> >> for caving announcements, at the very least they should cc Texascavers
> >> (CaveTex) with the message. That takes no extra time, and insures that the
> >> wider audience of Texas cavers gets the message.
> >>
> >> Mark Minton
> >>
> >> At 10:42 AM 5/19/2011, Jim Kennedy wrote:
> >>
> >> David,
> >>>
> >>> You are missing the forest for the trees. There already IS something out
> >>> there like you describe, and it works. It's called CaveTex. Look at it
> >>> this way, you have to have email to be on Facebook. If you have email, and
> >>> you are a caver, you SHOULD already be on CaveTex.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Please reply to [email protected]
> >> Permanent email address is [email protected]
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Piggy backing on R D's earlier comment www.forums.caves.org can create
grotto specific and perhaps region specific sub-sections. I know for those
of us whom live on the fringe of the Texas caving community we would greatly
benefit from being informed of trips departing from the "metro" into our
backyards.
Herman Miller
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:56 AM, R D Milhollin <[email protected]>wrote:
> Why reinvent the wheel?
>
> www.forums.caves.org/
>
> --- On *Sun, 5/22/11, Brandon Cook <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Brandon Cook <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
> To:
> Cc: "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, May 22, 2011, 1:09 AM
>
> It's a shame there is not an online forum for caving... why is that? IMHO a
> forum solves these issues that many are bickering about, without the privacy
> issues.
>
> I personally think the list-serve is very lame and an out of date method of
> communication. I've canceled once, only to reluctantly came back because
> that seemed like the only way to get the info. I also think trying to
> replace it with Facebook is a bad idea for the many reasons mentioned.
>
> Forums allow anonymity if desired, can be setup to forward to email all or
> only interested "subscribed" threads or sub-forums, can be used to post
> news, events, pictures, videos, etc. There can be private threads if needed
> as well. Users may create their own threads which can be easily ignored
> without all the inbox spam.
>
> Best of all, the wealth of information provided by the contributors is
> cataloged
> and easily searchable for future reference. There is occasionally some
> really interesting stuff ya'll put out there on CaveTex, but mostly just
> fills my inbox with more garbage like this email (sorry).
>
> Take a look at http://www.cavediver.net/ if you need a good example. If
> it's know-how that's needed, I can put you in touch with a local, and very
> successful creator of many forums for direction.
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Best of luck sorting this out ;-)
>
> Brandon
>
> --- On *Sun, 5/22/11, Rod Goke <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
> To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Katherine Arens" <
> [email protected]>
> Cc: "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, May 22, 2011, 12:10 AM
>
>
> Katie and Charles both made good points on this issue. I agree with Charles
> that making Texascavers a member of Facebook would be likely to generate too
> much unwanted traffic and drive more people away, but what if it were done
> with a separate FB (Facebook) list, similar to the existing OT list, to
> which cavers could subscribe if they were interested?
>
> Regardless of whether or not this is done, I agree with Jim and others that
> announcements of general interest to cavers should be copied to the
> main Texascavers list even if they are posted to Facebook. The main reason
> for a separate FB list would be to give the Facebook enthusiasts a
> convenient way to copy messages to their caver friends who are not
> registered with Facebook, even when those messages are not sufficiently "on
> topic" to post on Texascavers.
>
> This might help somewhat to alleviate the split that has been growing
> recently within the caving community between those who want to use Facebook
> and those who do not. On one side, we have Facebook enthusiasts who are
> increasingly using Facebook to communicate with their caver friends and
> announce caving related events. They apparently either don't know or don't
> care much about the potential privacy pitfalls of Facebook and tend to
> assume that anyone who hasn't signed up for it has simply failed to do so
> out of ignorance about its benefits. On the other side, we have people (like
> myself) who have been resisting pressure to sign up for Facebook, because of
> concern about some of Facebook's privacy related policies and practices. In
> some cases, people may be reluctant to sign up strictly out of concern for
> their own privacy, and in other cases, people also may be concerned about
> the broader long range social implications of these policies and practices.
> After all, Facebook now has significantly more users than the entire
> population of the United States, so whatever it does can have major
> consequences, both nationally and internationally.
>
> Facebook hardly allows you to do anything until you "sign up", or register,
> with them, and this registration procedure demands your real name, email
> address, sex, and date of birth. Most troubling is the demand for your date
> of birth, since giving this information in combination with your name is
> technically similar to providing your social security number, in that, for
> most people, it forms a unique identifier which can be used to link whatever
> data Facebook has about you together with data about you in other databases.
> This information, like your social security number, has significant
> potential for misuse, either by identity thieves gaining unauthorized access
> to the data or by corporate and/or government entities using the database in
> ways you never anticipated. Consequently, it is information that should be
> given to a company only on a legitimate "need to know" basis, not just to
> any company that thinks it can generate more money from its database by
> including your date of birth. Facebook's sign up page claims that they
> require "all users to provide their real date of birth to encourage
> authenticity and provide only age-appropriate access to content," but, in my
> opinion, this hardly constitutes a legitimate "need to know." How does it
> "encourage authenticity" when people can just as easily lie about their date
> of birth as they can anything else? If they truly want the information to
> provide only age-appropriate access to content, then they could just as well
> ask whether your age falls within certain relevant ranges, without requiring
> your precise date of birth.
>
> A mechanism similar to what Katie suggested, but perhaps with a separate
> list to overcome the problem Charles mentioned, might help to bridge the gap
> between the users and the nonusers of Facebook within the caving community.
> Cavers concerned about Facebook's privacy issues might prefer to use this
> mechanism, just as people concerned about Google's privacy issues often
> prefer to use startpage.com or startingpage.com instead of google.com for
> their Google searches (something worth trying if you're not already familiar
> with it). I'm not sure whether or not the suggested mechanism would actually
> work out, but it's something for the cavers to consider if Charles is
> willing to look into it.
>
> Rod
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Goldsmith
> Sent: May 19, 2011 11:41 AM
> To: Katherine Arens
> Cc: [email protected], Mark Minton
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA-ANL, Facebook, and caving
>
> Katie, it COULD, but I won't do it, I'm sorry, facebook just doesn't have
> any proper filters in place, and it would just spam the list, driving more
> people away.
>
> Nice idea though.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Katherine Arens
> wrote:
>
> > Radical suggestion: could "[email protected]" become a member
> > of facebook? If so, then what "it" posts could be forwarded to the list .
> .
> > .
> > katie
> >
> >
> > Elegantly stated, Jim. I think David must spend more time on
> >> Facebook than most anyone I know, and I doubt he is representative of
> cavers
> >> in general. If people insist on using Facebook or any other social
> medium
> >> for caving announcements, at the very least they should cc Texascavers
> >> (CaveTex) with the message. That takes no extra time, and insures that
> the
> >> wider audience of Texas cavers gets the message.
> >>
> >> Mark Minton
> >>
> >> At 10:42 AM 5/19/2011, Jim Kennedy wrote:
> >>
> >> David,
> >>>
> >>> You are missing the forest for the trees. There already IS something
> out
> >>> there like you describe, and it works. It's called CaveTex. Look at it
> >>> this way, you have to have email to be on Facebook. If you have email,
> and
> >>> you are a caver, you SHOULD already be on CaveTex.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Please reply to [email protected]
> >> Permanent email address is [email protected]
> >>
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> > ************************
> > Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
> > [email protected] Dept. Phone: (512) 471-4123
> > Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> > 1 University Station C3300 Bldg.Location: Burdine 336
> > University of Texas at Austin Office: Burdine 320
> > Austin, TX 78712-0304
> >
> > -. .-
> > _..-'( )`-.._
> > ./'. '||\\. (\_/) .//||` .`\.
> > ./'.|'.'||||\\|.. )O O( ..|//||||`.`|.`\.
> > ./'..|'.|| |||||\`````` '`" '` ''''''/||||| ||.`|..`\.
> > ./'.||'.|||| ||||||||||||. . |||||||||||| ||||.`||.`\.
> > /'|||'.|||||| ||||||||||||{ }|||||||||||| ||||||.`|||`\
> > '.|||'.||||||| ||||||||||||{ }|||||||||||| |||||||.`|||.`
> > '.||| ||||||||| |/' ``\||`` ''||/'' `\| ||||||||| |||.`
> > |/' \./' `\./ \!|\ /|!/ \./' `\./ `\|
> > V V V }' `\ /' `{ V V V
> > ` ` ` V ' ' '
> >
> >
> >
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Rod,
Well said. These are exactly the reasons I have not subscribed to FB. Thanks
for your well-thought-out comment.
Louise
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God's impersonator (from 2035 or whenever) said:
"... that day is coming soon!"
But wasn't "that day" supposed to have been yesterday, May 21? Why was no one raptured? Oh no! Could it be that we all have been judged unworthy and have been left here to suffer a most dreaded fate, namely having to continue putting up with all those other unworthy people, even the ones who post OT BS to Texascavers! Guess we'll just have to find a way to tolerate each other.
;-)
Rod-----Original Message----- From: [email protected]Sent: May 22, 2011 9:43 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [Texascavers] A warning from the future Re: A warning from the future In retrospect I realize it was all a big mistake. I send down one of my ten billion only begotten sons only this particular one is a paranoid with a big mouth and everybody takes him seriously. His delusions of grandeur resonate with ignorant desert tribesmen whose idea of fun is to fight over camels. Then, about sixty years later after everybody has forgotten exactly what he says they collect the stories and they become a best seller. Shortly thereafter Roman priests and pederasts get involved, then another desert dwelling lunatic named Mo comes up with a different version that is almost exactly the same but worse. I did everything I could to dissuade people from believing this gibberish. I sent war, plague, and famine to everybody who bought the bull but it only reinforced their faith. It occurred to me to hide the original set of evil fairy tales so I sent a little shepherd boy to collect the scattered texts and hide them in a cave. That worked fairly well until cavers came along. Who could have imagined that in the late twentieth and early twenty first centuries people would be so bored they would have nothing better to do than to crawl into holes in the ground? So it came to pass that not too long ago a Bedouin caver discovered some of the hidden scrolls not far from the aptly named Dead sea in the accursed land of Yidzrael. The rotting fragments made no sense, and that should have put the matter to rest, but nooooo! Ask yourself, has peace come to the middle east? So I have finally had it. There are other yet undiscovered scrolls awaiting discovery and misinterpretation and I simply will not allow it. Henceforth all caving is banned along with all direct discussion thereof. No more trip reports, only off topic apocrypha will be allowed. As to cavers themselves I condemn them to old age and death. The use of electronic media is part of my plan. No more scrolls in caves that might be found later, just pointless babbling that will disappear from earth once the lights go out. As you have been repeatedly warned, that day is coming soon! God |
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But wait, doesn't the end of the world come in 2012 (according to the Aztec
calendar)? My friend Jo says yesterday was just supposed to be the rapture. She
says the EOW comes in October. Who should I believe...the crazy old guy who got
it wrong the first time; a defunct native group; or my best friend? OMG, it's
just too much for my poor old brain to comprehend!
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:56:56 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future
God's impersonator (from 2035 or whenever) said:
"... that day is coming soon!"
But wasn't "that day" supposed to have been yesterday, May 21? Why was no one
raptured? Oh no! Could it be that we all have been judged unworthy and have
been left here to suffer a most dreaded fate, namely having to continue putting
up with all those other unworthy people, even the ones who post OT BS to
Texascavers! Guess we'll just have to find a way to tolerate each other.
;-)
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
Sent: May 22, 2011 9:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] A warning from the future
Re: A warning from the future
In retrospect I realize it was all a big mistake. I send down one of my ten
billion only begotten sons only this particular one is a paranoid with a
big mouth and everybody takes him seriously. His delusions of grandeur
resonate with ignorant desert tribesmen whose idea of fun is to fight over
camels. Then, about sixty years later after everybody has forgotten exactly
what
he says they collect the stories and they become a best seller. Shortly
thereafter Roman priests and pederasts get involved, then another desert
dwelling lunatic named Mo comes up with a different version that is almost
exactly the same but worse.
I did everything I could to dissuade people from believing this gibberish.
I sent war, plague, and famine to everybody who bought the bull but it only
reinforced their faith. It occurred to me to hide the original set of evil
fairy tales so I sent a little shepherd boy to collect the scattered texts
and hide them in a cave. That worked fairly well until cavers came along.
Who could have imagined that in the late twentieth and early twenty first
centuries people would be so bored they would have nothing better to do than
to crawl into holes in the ground?
So it came to pass that not too long ago a Bedouin caver discovered some of
the hidden scrolls not far from the aptly named Dead sea in the accursed
land of Yidzrael. The rotting fragments made no sense, and that should have
put the matter to rest, but nooooo! Ask yourself, has peace come to the
middle east?
So I have finally had it. There are other yet undiscovered scrolls
awaiting discovery and misinterpretation and I simply will not allow it.
Henceforth all caving is banned along with all direct discussion thereof. No
more
trip reports, only off topic apocrypha will be allowed. As to cavers
themselves I condemn them to old age and death. The use of electronic media is
part of my plan. No more scrolls in caves that might be found later, just
pointless babbling that will disappear from earth once the lights go out. As
you
have been repeatedly warned, that day is coming soon!
God
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I'm not very familiar with the Aztec calendar, but if it ever contained an "end of the world" prediction, it probably had to be revised to record that happening August 13, 1521 (from their viewpoint, anyway, since that's when their capital, Tenochtitlan, finally fell to Cortes). I believe that it is the Mayan calendar that many people claim will end December 21, 2012, leading some to interpret this as a predicted "end of the world" date. Now, however, some people are claiming that this interpretation of the Mayan calendar is off by several weeks and that the real "end of the world" date will be November 6, 2012.
. . .
(election day) ;-)
Rod
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From: Louise Power
Sent: May 22, 2011 7:28 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] A warning from the future
But wait, doesn't the end of the world come in 2012 (according to the Aztec calendar)? My friend Jo says yesterday was just supposed to be the rapture. She says the EOW comes in October. Who should I believe...the crazy old guy who got it wrong the first time; a defunct native group; or my best friend? OMG, it's just too much for my poor old brain to comprehend!
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As I understand it, 2012 does not mark the end of the world
according to Maya mythology. It is simply the end of a calendar
cycle. After that date a new calendar cycle would begin. All talk
of apocalypse is modern mythology, not Maya. (In modern usage, the
word Mayan is used solely in reference to the language. In all other
cases Maya is used as both noun and adjective.)
Mark Minton
At 10:34 PM 5/22/2011, Rod Goke wrote:
I'm not very familiar with the Aztec calendar, but if it ever
contained an "end of the world" prediction, it probably had to be
revised to record that happening August 13, 1521 (from their
viewpoint, anyway, since that's when their capital, Tenochtitlan,
finally fell to Cortes). I believe that it is the Mayan calendar
that many people claim will end December 21, 2012, leading some to
interpret this as a predicted "end of the world" date. Now, however,
some people are claiming that this interpretation of the Mayan
calendar is off by several weeks and that the real "end of the
world" date will be November 6, 2012.
. . .
(election day) ;-)
Rod
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From: Louise Power
Sent: May 22, 2011 7:28 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] A warning from the future
But wait, doesn't the end of the world come in 2012 (according to
the Aztec calendar)? My friend Jo says yesterday was just supposed
to be the rapture. She says the EOW comes in October. Who should I
believe...the crazy old guy who got it wrong the first time; a
defunct native group; or my best friend? OMG, it's just too much for
my poor old brain to comprehend!
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