texascavers Digest 13 Aug 2012 11:00:12 -0000 Issue 1607
Topics (messages 20518 through 20538):
Re: camera questions
20518 by: Pete Lindsley
20519 by: Geary Schindel
20520 by: Lyndon Tiu
20521 by: Pete Lindsley
20522 by: Pete Lindsley
20523 by: George D. Nincehelser
20524 by: Allan B. Cobb
20525 by: Geary Schindel
20526 by: George D. Nincehelser
Re: Emergency Disinfection of Drinking Water
20527 by: Logan McNatt
travels in Mexico
20528 by: Nancy Weaver
20530 by: Nico Escamilla
20531 by: Aimee Beveridge
Re: Sinopoda scurion
20529 by: David Ochel
20532 by: germanyj.aol.com
20533 by: Louise Power
Louisiana Sinkhole - any interested divers?
20534 by: germanyj.aol.com
Bats and smartphones: will 'bat walks' make us love them?
20535 by: germanyj.aol.com
new depth of Krubera
20536 by: Mixon Bill
Re: 1000-meter-deep caves
20537 by: Logan McNatt
UT Grotto Meeting - Wed August 15
20538 by: Gary Franklin
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Sounds like it is now a caving camera (if it still works). Then either
buy a better cave camera (like one of the new waterproof Pentax
cameras, my 4-year old Pentax is a W-60), or upgrade your Canon to a
newer one for probably cheaper than the repair, or both, and then
insure the cameras under an itemized list attached to your home owners
policy.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Folks,
I have (had) a Canon EOS Rebel XT digital (8 mg) camera. The camera
bag rolled out of the car and fell on its head at convention and now
the LCD screen doesn’t function (the one with all the camera data, not
the screen which shows the picture). Lens works fine. So, is this
thing worth repairing considering there is probably a repair cost to
tell me how much more it will cost to repair or should I buy a new
camera. If so, I was thinking of just buying the same or similar
body. Seems they have upgraded it some and they now use SD cards
which would be nice. Any thoughts on what I should do. It has been a
pretty good camera up until now. I certainly don’t need any of the
high end professional cameras but still like a SLR.
Geary
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Pete,
Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the
web.
G
From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:24 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions
Sounds like it is now a caving camera (if it still works). Then either buy a
better cave camera (like one of the new waterproof Pentax cameras, my 4-year
old Pentax is a W-60), or upgrade your Canon to a newer one for probably
cheaper than the repair, or both, and then insure the cameras under an itemized
list attached to your home owners policy.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Folks,
I have (had) a Canon EOS Rebel XT digital (8 mg) camera. The camera bag rolled
out of the car and fell on its head at convention and now the LCD screen
doesn't function (the one with all the camera data, not the screen which shows
the picture). Lens works fine. So, is this thing worth repairing considering
there is probably a repair cost to tell me how much more it will cost to repair
or should I buy a new camera. If so, I was thinking of just buying the same or
similar body. Seems they have upgraded it some and they now use SD cards which
would be nice. Any thoughts on what I should do. It has been a pretty good
camera up until now. I certainly don't need any of the high end professional
cameras but still like a SLR.
Geary
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What's the point of insuring the camera under one's homeowner's
policy? So I can get insurance to pay for the repairs next time it
falls out of the car and breaks?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like it is now a caving camera (if it still works). Then either buy a
> better cave camera (like one of the new waterproof Pentax cameras, my 4-year
> old Pentax is a W-60), or upgrade your Canon to a newer one for probably
> cheaper than the repair, or both, and then insure the cameras under an
> itemized list attached to your home owners policy.
>
> - Pete
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have (had) a Canon EOS Rebel XT digital (8 mg) camera. The camera bag
> rolled out of the car and fell on its head at convention and now the LCD
> screen doesn’t function (the one with all the camera data, not the screen
> which shows the picture). Lens works fine. So, is this thing worth
> repairing considering there is probably a repair cost to tell me how much
> more it will cost to repair or should I buy a new camera. If so, I was
> thinking of just buying the same or similar body. Seems they have upgraded
> it some and they now use SD cards which would be nice. Any thoughts on what
> I should do. It has been a pretty good camera up until now. I certainly
> don’t need any of the high end professional cameras but still like a SLR.
>
> Geary
>
>
>
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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No, it's for when someone breaks into your car and steals most of your
camera gear just before leaving on a photo vacation (to caves) you
have already paid for.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
What's the point of insuring the camera under one's homeowner's
policy? So I can get insurance to pay for the repairs next time it
falls out of the car and breaks?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Sounds like it is now a caving camera (if it still works). Then
either buy a
better cave camera (like one of the new waterproof Pentax cameras,
my 4-year
old Pentax is a W-60), or upgrade your Canon to a newer one for
probably
cheaper than the repair, or both, and then insure the cameras under an
itemized list attached to your home owners policy.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Folks,
I have (had) a Canon EOS Rebel XT digital (8 mg) camera. The camera
bag
rolled out of the car and fell on its head at convention and now the
LCD
screen doesn’t function (the one with all the camera data, not the
screen
which shows the picture). Lens works fine. So, is this thing worth
repairing considering there is probably a repair cost to tell me how
much
more it will cost to repair or should I buy a new camera. If so, I
was
thinking of just buying the same or similar body. Seems they have
upgraded
it some and they now use SD cards which would be nice. Any thoughts
on what
I should do. It has been a pretty good camera up until now. I
certainly
don’t need any of the high end professional cameras but still like a
SLR.
Geary
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better
prices, but these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it
means you will get your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from
them for several decades. Almost all the others I have considered were
liars, and probably crooks. I am sure there are many other good ones
out there, but follow your friends recommendations.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Pete,
Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras
on the web.
G
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This might be the part you're looking for on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-350D-Rebel-XT-LCD-W-Back-light-Buttons-Digital-Camera-Repair-Part-/320899055921?pt=Digital_Camera_Accessories&hash=item4ab7130131#ht_500wt_1180
The latest Rebel in the family is the 4ti. You might want to look for
a bargain on the 2ti (which I think is going away) or the 3ti (which is
hanging around for a while).
These newer Rebels are 18MP, which you might find is decent step up.
George
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
> Folks,****
>
> ** **
>
> I have (had) a Canon EOS Rebel XT digital (8 mg) camera. The camera bag
> rolled out of the car and fell on its head at convention and now the LCD
> screen doesn’t function (the one with all the camera data, not the screen
> which shows the picture). Lens works fine. So, is this thing worth
> repairing considering there is probably a repair cost to tell me how much
> more it will cost to repair or should I buy a new camera. If so, I was
> thinking of just buying the same or similar body. Seems they have upgraded
> it some and they now use SD cards which would be nice. Any thoughts on
> what I should do. It has been a pretty good camera up until now. I
> certainly don’t need any of the high end professional cameras but still
> like a SLR.****
>
> ** **
>
> Geary****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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B&H is good Amazon is good too.
Allan
Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices, but
> these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you will get
> your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several decades.
> Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably crooks. I am
> sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your friends
> recommendations.
>
> - Pete
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the
> web.
>
> G
>
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So, what are the advantages of a Canon T3 verses T3i.
It’s not clear from the descriptions.
Geary
From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: Geary Schindel; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions
B&H is good Amazon is good too.
Allan
Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley
<caverp...@gmail.com<mailto:caverp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices, but
these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you will get
your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several decades.
Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably crooks. I am
sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your friends
recommendations.
- Pete
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Pete,
Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the
web.
G
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http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon-T3i
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
> So, what are the advantages of a Canon T3 verses T3i.****
>
> ** **
>
> It’s not clear from the descriptions.****
>
> ** **
>
> Geary****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 2:24 PM
> *To:* Pete Lindsley
> *Cc:* Geary Schindel; texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] camera questions****
>
> ** **
>
> B&H is good Amazon is good too. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Allan
>
> Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone****
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote:***
> *
>
> Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices,
> but these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you
> will get your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several
> decades. Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably
> crooks. I am sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your
> friends recommendations.****
>
> ** **
>
> - Pete****
>
> ** **
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Pete,****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on
> the web.****
>
> ****
>
> G****
>
> ** **
>
>
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Mark, thanks, but hypothermia is not one of our big concerns in Texas. I've heard that tanning salons are being converted to hypothermic
saloons. (no, that's not a typo)
On 8/10/2012 10:00 AM, Mark Minton wrote:
This is also useful info for cavers, concerning hypothermia:
<http://www.wemsi.org/cold.html>.
Mark
At 12:39 PM 8/9/2012, germa...@aol.com wrote:
On some level, this could be cave(r)-related....
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm?072112
- julia
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to
Zacatecas. We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive
on the toll road south. We spent a couple of days in Real de
Catorce, hiking and hanging out with friends then drove to my 72 yr
old companion's casita in the mts of Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo
(controlled by invisible zetas) and Mexquitic (ditto guzmans) Rumour
has it that occasionally the road between the two towns is contested
for ownership; we saw no sign of that or any other trouble. Lots of
great hiking in the mts and barrancas, visited both towns which were
clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over backroad Mexico, then
had two delightful days in Ciudad Zacatecas - a gorgeous vibrant
musical traveler filled city. Mexico is alive and well and wonderful
as ever.
Nancy
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Where's the like button?
El viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012, Nancy Weaver escribió:
> Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to
> Zacatecas. We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive on
> the toll road south. We spent a couple of days in Real de Catorce, hiking
> and hanging out with friends then drove to my 72 yr old companion's casita
> in the mts of Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo (controlled by invisible
> zetas) and Mexquitic (ditto guzmans) Rumour has it that occasionally the
> road between the two towns is contested for ownership; we saw no sign of
> that or any other trouble. Lots of great hiking in the mts and barrancas,
> visited both towns which were clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over
> backroad Mexico, then had two delightful days in Ciudad Zacatecas - a
> gorgeous vibrant musical traveler filled city. Mexico is alive and well
> and wonderful as ever.
>
> Nancy
>
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Wonderful report, Nancy!
On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Nico Escamilla <pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Where's the like button?
> El viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012, Nancy Weaver escribió:
> Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to Zacatecas.
> We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive on the toll road
> south. We spent a couple of days in Real de Catorce, hiking and hanging out
> with friends then drove to my 72 yr old companion's casita in the mts of
> Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo (controlled by invisible zetas) and Mexquitic
> (ditto guzmans) Rumour has it that occasionally the road between the two
> towns is contested for ownership; we saw no sign of that or any other
> trouble. Lots of great hiking in the mts and barrancas, visited both towns
> which were clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over backroad Mexico,
> then had two delightful days in Ciudad Zacatecas - a gorgeous vibrant
> musical traveler filled city. Mexico is alive and well and wonderful as ever.
>
> Nancy
>
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the first eyeless huntsman spider species... ;-) -David
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Subject: Sinopoda scurion
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:45:37 +0200
From: Rolf Siegenthaler <r...@speleo.ch>
To: Liste Suisse <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Hallo zusammen,
Es ist soweit, das Paper über die weltweit erste augenlose
Riesenkrabbenspinne, die in einer Höhle in Laos entdeckt wurde, ist
publiziert :-)
Abstract: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03415p057f.pdf
Full article: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/zt03415p057.pdf
Wir haben die Biopatenschaft für das Tierchen übernommen und sind
stolz, dass es unseren Namen trägt. Mehr dazu im Anhang...
Liebe Grüsse
Rolf
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Does this mean we have to give a Prosit with Jaegermeister?? ;)
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From: David Ochel <li...@ochel.net>
To: Cave Tex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Sinopoda scurion
the first eyeless huntsman spider species... ;-) -David
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Subject: Sinopoda scurion
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:45:37 +0200
From: Rolf Siegenthaler <r...@speleo.ch>
To: Liste Suisse <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Hallo zusammen,
Es ist soweit, das Paper über die weltweit erste augenlose
Riesenkrabbenspinne, die in einer Höhle in Laos entdeckt wurde, ist
publiziert :-)
Abstract: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03415p057f.pdf
Full article: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/zt03415p057.pdf
Wir haben die Biopatenschaft für das Tierchen übernommen und sind
stolz, dass es unseren Namen trägt. Mehr dazu im Anhang...
Liebe Grüsse
Rolf
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Any reason is a good reason for that. Finding new species in a world where
species seem to be dying out with the speed of passenger pigeons seems to be a
really good reason to celebrate. Even if they do have to live underground to
survive.
To: li...@ochel.net; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: germa...@aol.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:12:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Sinopoda scurion
Does this mean we have to give a Prosit with Jaegermeister?? ;)
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From: David Ochel <li...@ochel.net>
To: Cave Tex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Sinopoda scurion
the first eyeless huntsman spider species... ;-) -David
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Subject: Sinopoda scurion
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:45:37 +0200
From: Rolf Siegenthaler <r...@speleo.ch>
To: Liste Suisse <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Hallo zusammen,
Es ist soweit, das Paper über die weltweit erste augenlose
Riesenkrabbenspinne, die in einer Höhle in Laos entdeckt wurde, ist
publiziert :-)
Abstract: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03415p057f.pdf
Full article: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/zt03415p057.pdf
Wir haben die Biopatenschaft für das Tierchen übernommen und sind
stolz, dass es unseren Namen trägt. Mehr dazu im Anhang...
Liebe Grüsse
Rolf
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Members of the Louisiana National guard flew over a giant sinkhole only to
notice it has gotten much larger since last time they saw it. Officials have
ordered the company responsible for a salt cavern in the Bayou Corne area, to
drill a relief well to check things out. The local sheriff is concerned the
sinkhole is too close to a well containing 1.5 million barrels of highly
flammable liquid butane.
For complete video report:
http://www.aol.com/video/louisiana-bayou-sinkhole-keeps-growing/517439539/?ncid=webmail2
julia
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18769019
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According to a press item at
http://www.15min.lt/en/article/world/lithuanian-ukrainian-speleologist-team-reaches-bottom-of-world-s-deepest-cave-529-240702
the known depth of Krubera in Georgia (Republic of) has been increased
to 2,197 meters. This represents an increase of 6 meters from the old
figure at
http://www.caverbob.com/wdeep.htm
In the latter list, I see that the deepest caves in Mexico have
dropped out of the top 10. There are now ninety-five 1000-meter-deep
caves in the world. When I was in high school, there was one.
--Mixon
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On 8/12/2012 10:40 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: There are now ninety-five
1000-meter-deep caves in the world. When I was in high school, there was one.
Bill,
Incontrovertible proof of the power of solution, for that many deep caves to
form in only about 50 years!
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Howdy Caver,
You are cordially invited to attend the next UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday
August 15th from 7:45PM- 9:00PM
University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street,
Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
Vivian Loftin will present a continuation of the saga - Spirit of the
Jungle
Part 2 - A recap of a brief and personal history of 15 years of American
cave exploration in Sarawak Malaysia. A story of high adventure, heavy
politics, international intrigue, and sweet, sweet, virgin borehole, set in
the exquisite tropical rainforest of the remote island of Borneo from 1994
to 2009. Come out for the fun and fellowship with Austin Texas Cavers.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org
Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links
to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.
Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for
happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks
walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue
with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall
tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com
The UT Grotto Program calendar is wide open and needs you, the caver with
photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or
something else really cool. Contact me.
Sincerely,
Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice Chair & Program Organizer
512-585-6057
v...@utgrotto.org
Vivian Loftin<vivb...@att.net>
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