texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2012 02:15:37 -0000 Issue 1578
Topics (messages 20215 through 20235):
Re: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
20215 by: Lyndon Tiu
20224 by: Jacqueline Thomas
20226 by: Scott Boyd
20229 by: Lyndon Tiu
20230 by: Lyndon Tiu
20231 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
20233 by: Jon
Re: Blood sucking bastards
20216 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
20221 by: Mark Minton
Re: Texas Caver Editor
20217 by: Mark Minton
20219 by: Preston Forsythe
20227 by: Mimi Jasek
Reduviids
20218 by: Preston Forsythe
20220 by: Ted Samsel
20223 by: Gill Edigar
Re: Study of kissing bugs for Chagas parasites in Texas.
20222 by: Alex Sproul
questions about Mexican caves
20225 by: Mixon Bill
the good old days
20228 by: Mixon Bill
Change of TC Editor
20232 by: Carl Kunath
20234 by: Mark Minton
20235 by: Bill Bentley
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I see not everyone is on Facebook to hear about it :(
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
> A new editor for the TxCvr ? Anyone want to elaborate on this new
> development ?
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
>
> And forward the trip report to Jill Orr, the new editor of The Texas Caver!!
>
> -h
>
> On 18 June 2012 21:44, David Ochel <li...@ochel.net> wrote:
>>
>> How about a trip report for a change? It was just meant for Ben and
>> Terry's records and is thus lacking some context that is known to them,
>> but better than nothing, I suppose... ;-)
>>
>> The attachment referred to below can be found here:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10593174/CM%20Cave%20Climb%202012-06-09.png
>>
>> -David
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0500
>> From: David Ochel <d...@ochel.net>
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> So this is my first attempt at using my iPad to sketch something. Let me
>> know if you think it's what you want for your records or not.
>>
>> Matt and Saj Zapp. helped me drag gear in, and Matt belayed me. The
>> actual climb (6 bolts, plus a seventh to make it more convenient to get
>> back down) took about 2 hours, I'd say? I climbed up to that about 40
>> degree sloped, maybe 2 meters deep shelf, too steep to scramble up,
>> which was covered in about 10-20 cm of crusted mud and would have been a
>> pain to set bolts in. At that time, it was apparent that there wasn't
>> any promising lead. That little vertical infeeder to the side had some
>> small formations in it and looked very much like it would be too small
>> to get into, although I have to admit that I decided that it wasn't
>> worth the pain and risk to actually make it over there and look up it to
>> be sure. So, I'm maybe a 96 % sure that it's not passable. All in all,
>> the rock was relatively shitty. The typical for that cave (I guess?)
>> limestone with pockets of soft sandstone-like filling.
>>
>> Feel free to forward this to Cavetex if you like.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Go find out!
> -Heather Tuček
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Back to the original post on the "trip report"--please send it somewhere for
publication or if you cannot, at least tell us which cave and when did you do
these things in this cave?
Jacqui
On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:44 PM, David Ochel wrote:
> How about a trip report for a change? It was just meant for Ben and
> Terry's records and is thus lacking some context that is known to them,
> but better than nothing, I suppose... ;-)
>
> The attachment referred to below can be found here:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10593174/CM%20Cave%20Climb%202012-06-09.png
>
> -David
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0500
> From: David Ochel <d...@ochel.net>
>
> Hola,
>
> So this is my first attempt at using my iPad to sketch something. Let me
> know if you think it's what you want for your records or not.
>
> Matt and Saj Zapp. helped me drag gear in, and Matt belayed me. The
> actual climb (6 bolts, plus a seventh to make it more convenient to get
> back down) took about 2 hours, I'd say? I climbed up to that about 40
> degree sloped, maybe 2 meters deep shelf, too steep to scramble up,
> which was covered in about 10-20 cm of crusted mud and would have been a
> pain to set bolts in. At that time, it was apparent that there wasn't
> any promising lead. That little vertical infeeder to the side had some
> small formations in it and looked very much like it would be too small
> to get into, although I have to admit that I decided that it wasn't
> worth the pain and risk to actually make it over there and look up it to
> be sure. So, I'm maybe a 96 % sure that it's not passable. All in all,
> the rock was relatively shitty. The typical for that cave (I guess?)
> limestone with pockets of soft sandstone-like filling.
>
> Feel free to forward this to Cavetex if you like.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
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Lyndon - That's right - we don't all bow down to the allegedly
all-mighty Facebook. 8-)
Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
sleeping in a cave or something...
Scott
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca> wrote:
> I see not everyone is on Facebook to hear about it :(
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
>> A new editor for the TxCvr ? Anyone want to elaborate on this new
>> development ?
>>
>> Jerry.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Scott, hahaha, but don't blame the messenger ;)
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lyndon - That's right - we don't all bow down to the allegedly
> all-mighty Facebook. 8-)
>
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca> wrote:
>> I see not everyone is on Facebook to hear about it :(
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> A new editor for the TxCvr ? Anyone want to elaborate on this new
>>> development ?
>>>
>>> Jerry.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>
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Lyndon Tiu
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I did not get that memo via CaveTex either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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I didn't either.
In a message dated 6/19/2012 8:41:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes:
I did not get that memo via CaveTex either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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I missed that too,
On this very network.
________________________________
From: Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca>
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
I did not get that memo via CaveTex either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Sanguisuga, the name says it all. Every year about this time the evil
little bloodsucking bastards find their way into my home here at Weazelworld in
north Florida. They generally go in pairs, so if you find one keep looking.
Strip the bed being careful to look inside pillow cases and between the
mattress and box springs until you get to the bed frame then look under it.
They rarely go far after having had a blood meal.
If you don’t live in a hermetically sealed box then Kukulcania spiders
(House tarantulas) are your best defense provided you don’t mind having huge
black spiders living all around your bed. I don’t cuz I know who my friends
are.
By the way, a male Kukulcania looks exactly like a giant brown recluse
spider; whereas the females are big black and fuzzy. The males wander so I
sometimes kill them for trespassing, but the monster females never stray from
their cobweb covered crevice. As a result I have had them living for years
right next to my head while I sleep but they have never bothered me. On
several occasions I have found shriveled kissing bug in their webs. Go girls!
Even sleeping in a tent isn’t entirely safe. In Belize and elsewhere in the
tropics I have often found Reduviids under the tent while breaking camp in
the morning. To the best of my knowledge I’ve never been bitten that way,
but it is hard to believe they couldn’t easily pierce tent fabric.
The bottom line is that they are evil, and 99% of the so called “spider
bites” in the night are due to Reduviids, not spiders. Likewise, when someone
shows me a rotting wound supposedly caused by a spider bite it is almost
always due to a staph infection but spiders always get the blame.
Sleaze
In a message dated 6/19/2012 1:06:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com writes:
If you can catch the thing, here is what you need to know.
Mail the package to:
Dr. Kristy Orsburn Murray
6118 Lymbar Dr.
Houston, TX 77096
Send her an email at _kmurray@bcm.edu_ (mailto:kmur...@bcm.edu) and let
her know it’s coming.
Place the bug in a zip lock bag in a hard box (Turn a small UPS priority
mail box inside out and write her address on the box.
Let her know where you caught the bug (house, outbuilding, garden, yard,
porch, etc)
Address where the bug was caught or GPS location.
Time and Date:
Include your name, email, and address and hopefully, she can send you the
results.
That’s it.
Geary
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At 01:50 PM 6/19/2012, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
Even sleeping in a tent isn't entirely safe. In Belize and elsewhere
in the tropics I have often found Reduviids under the tent while
breaking camp in the morning. To the best of my knowledge I've never
been bitten that way, but it is hard to believe they couldn't easily
pierce tent fabric.
Chagas disease apparently spreads because the bug bites the
victim and then defecates near the wound. It is not the bite
directly, but rather scratching by the victim and subsequent
inoculation of the wound with the infected feces that does it. In
that case, getting bit through a tent or clothing barrier might not
result in infection, because the feces would not be in contact with the skin.
Mark Minton
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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I'm certainly not on Facebook. This is
big news and certainly worthy of an announcement
on Texascavers. I presume something will be
forthcoming. I knew Mark Alman had expressed a
desire to pass the hat, but I didn't think it
would happen so quickly. Congratulations to all!
Mark
At 01:41 PM 6/19/2012, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
I see not everyone is on Facebook to hear about it :(
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
> A new editor for the TxCvr ? Â Anyone want to elaborate on this new
> development ?
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
>
> And forward the trip report to Jill Orr, the
new editor of The Texas Caver!!
>
> -h
>
> On 18 June 2012 21:44, David Ochel <li...@ochel.net> wrote:
>>
>> How about a trip report for a change? It was just meant for Ben and
>> Terry's records and is thus lacking some context that is known to them,
>> but better than nothing, I suppose... ;-)
>>
>> The attachment referred to below can be found here:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10593174/CM%20Cave%20Climb%202012-06-09.png
>>
>> -David
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0500
>> From: David Ochel <d...@ochel.net>
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> So this is my first attempt at using my iPad to sketch something. Let me
>> know if you think it's what you want for your records or not.
>>
>> Matt and Saj Zapp. helped me drag gear in, and Matt belayed me. The
>> actual climb (6 bolts, plus a seventh to make it more convenient to get
>> back down) took about 2 hours, I'd say? I climbed up to that about 40
>> degree sloped, maybe 2 meters deep shelf, too steep to scramble up,
>> which was covered in about 10-20 cm of crusted mud and would have been a
>> pain to set bolts in. At that time, it was apparent that there wasn't
>> any promising lead. That little vertical infeeder to the side had some
>> small formations in it and looked very much like it would be too small
>> to get into, although I have to admit that I decided that it wasn't
>> worth the pain and risk to actually make it over there and look up it to
>> be sure. So, I'm maybe a 96 % sure that it's not passable. All in all,
>> the rock was relatively shitty. The typical for that cave (I guess?)
>> limestone with pockets of soft sandstone-like filling.
>>
>> Feel free to forward this to Cavetex if you like.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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This calls for a toast to the old and new editor at W VA.
Preston
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From: Mark Minton
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Texas Caver Editor
I'm certainly not on Facebook. This is big news and certainly worthy
of an announcement on Texascavers. I presume something will be forthcoming. I
knew Mark Alman had expressed a desire to pass the hat, but I didn't think it
would happen so quickly. Congratulations to all!
Mark
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First, WOW! Huge news. Mark, you got your life back, and Jill, you just lost a
lot of yours. Been there, done that, as they say:) Luck, good thoughts, and
congrats to both of you.
Where do we now submit articles?
Second, we are not on fb either, and for anything of importance for Texas
cavers, especially for PAID members of the TSA, there should be an e-mail list
of those members who receive such news before any other posting.
I know cavers not on fb for both personal and professional reasons, and some
not on cavetex. But they do have e-mail. I have been frustrated by posts on
cavetex that mention fb pages to check out for info that I would have liked to
have read/seen, but was excluded simply because I value my privacy.
Post to cavetex too:) Seems fair. But TSA news should go to members first, or
at least at the same time. Surely some officer is in charge of informing
members of such important news?
Sorry. Hate cliques, and don't like being excluded from something I pay to be a
part of. Who does or would?
Mimi Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
> I'm certainly not on Facebook. This is big news and certainly worthy
> of an announcement on Texascavers. I presume something will be forthcoming.
> I knew Mark Alman had expressed a desire to pass the hat, but I didn't think
> it would happen so quickly. Congratulations to all!
>
> Mark
>
> At 01:41 PM 6/19/2012, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
>> I see not everyone is on Facebook to hear about it :(
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > A new editor for the TxCvr ? Â Anyone want to elaborate on this new
>> > development ?
>> >
>> > Jerry.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jun 19, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > And forward the trip report to Jill Orr, the new editor of The Texas
>> > Caver!!
>> >
>> > -h
>> >
>> > On 18 June 2012 21:44, David Ochel <li...@ochel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How about a trip report for a change? It was just meant for Ben and
>> >> Terry's records and is thus lacking some context that is known to them,
>> >> but better than nothing, I suppose... ;-)
>> >>
>> >> The attachment referred to below can be found here:
>> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10593174/CM%20Cave%20Climb%202012-06-09.png
>> >>
>> >> -David
>> >>
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
>> >> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0500
>> >> From: David Ochel <d...@ochel.net>
>> >>
>> >> Hola,
>> >>
>> >> So this is my first attempt at using my iPad to sketch something. Let me
>> >> know if you think it's what you want for your records or not.
>> >>
>> >> Matt and Saj Zapp. helped me drag gear in, and Matt belayed me. The
>> >> actual climb (6 bolts, plus a seventh to make it more convenient to get
>> >> back down) took about 2 hours, I'd say? I climbed up to that about 40
>> >> degree sloped, maybe 2 meters deep shelf, too steep to scramble up,
>> >> which was covered in about 10-20 cm of crusted mud and would have been a
>> >> pain to set bolts in. At that time, it was apparent that there wasn't
>> >> any promising lead. That little vertical infeeder to the side had some
>> >> small formations in it and looked very much like it would be too small
>> >> to get into, although I have to admit that I decided that it wasn't
>> >> worth the pain and risk to actually make it over there and look up it to
>> >> be sure. So, I'm maybe a 96 % sure that it's not passable. All in all,
>> >> the rock was relatively shitty. The typical for that cave (I guess?)
>> >> limestone with pockets of soft sandstone-like filling.
>> >>
>> >> Feel free to forward this to Cavetex if you like.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> David
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Ask Barbara McCloud about Reduviids as she was singing about them 40 years ago.
Preston, headed to convention...hope u r too.
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From: bmorgan...@aol.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Blood sucking bastards
The bottom line is that they are evil, and 99% of the so called “spider
bites” in the night are due to Reduviids, not spiders.
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My old man, when he was a doctor in South Texas in the 1950s, discovered
and documented a couple of cases of Chagas amongst the braceros.
Ted
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> **
> Ask Barbara McCloud about Reduviids as she was singing about them 40 years
> ago.
>
> Preston, headed to convention...hope u r too.
>
>
> ==========================================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* bmorgan...@aol.com
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:50 PM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Re: Blood sucking bastards
>
> The bottom line is that they are evil, and 99% of the so called “spider
> bites” in the night are due to *Reduviids,* not spiders.
>
>
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I woke up several times in both South Texas and MesoAmerica with them
on or near my bed but never could find a bite to associate them with.
I do sleep outside a lot (without a tent, I mean), mainly based on an
absence of skeeters and other biting things.
--Ediger
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Ted Samsel <t.b.sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My old man, when he was a doctor in South Texas in the 1950s, discovered
> and documented a couple of cases of Chagas amongst the braceros.
>
> Ted
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ask Barbara McCloud about Reduviids as she was singing about them 40 years
>> ago.
>>
>> Preston, headed to convention...hope u r too.
>>
>>
>> ==========================================
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: bmorgan...@aol.com
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:50 PM
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Blood sucking bastards
>>
>> The bottom line is that they are evil, and 99% of the so called “spider
>> bites” in the night are due to Reduviids, not spiders.
>
>
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Geary --
FWIW, you can't turn a USPS Priority Mail box inside out anymore.
Since they provide them free, they don't care much for seeing them
in a UPS truck. They've started overprinting the inside with USPS in
large letters, and will not even accept an inside-out box at the post
office...
(And that's from way back when I was in the mail-order business!)
Alex
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German biologist Joachim Nerz has requested information about some
caves (see below) and areas in Mexico from the Association for Mexican
Cave Studies. I have sent him a few semi-worthless extracts from past
AMCS publicaitions and Bonet's description of Potrerillos. If anyone
else can help the guy, please do. He's at joachim.n...@onlinehome.de.
That is evidently a slow e-mail connection, so don't send huge
attachments without checking with him first. -- Mixon
Thank you very much for your help; we will do especially surveys for
cave-salamanders
in the following areas:
Queretaro:
-caves around El Lobo and El Madrono (our main destination)
e.g. cueva de El Madrono (near Laguna Colorado),
Hidalgo:
caves near the town of Durango
San Luis Potosi:
e.g. cueva de Potrerillos, Cueva de la Iglesia
It would be great, if you have any additonal informations about
these areas!
Thanks a lot!
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things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.
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Something for you young guys with hundred-dollar caving pants and four-
hundred-dollar lights:
"Quite unlike climbing, where the better you are the more flash and
poncy your gear is, caving kudos can only be gained by putting up with
gear that is constantly about to fail. The more holes in your wetsuit
the tougher you are, the dimmer your light the obviously more vast
your experience. Sometimes in a popular cave you come across a party
of potholers who are blundering along dressed in rags and with only
one yellow glow from their leader's lamp for them all to see by. In
your bright new websuit and with your bright new light shining down
the passge you press yourself against the rock and let them pass, in
awe."--from "Beneath the Mountains: Exploring the Deep Caves of
Asturias" (1987).
-Mixon
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Like so many others, I didn’t get that message.
Did it actually go out on TexasCavers or was it only a FB reference?
Scott, perhaps you could forward to TexasCavers the message you refer to.
===Carl Kunath
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From: speleoste...@aol.com
I didn't either.
l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes:
I did not get that memo via CaveTex either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
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I searched the archives and there is no such message. :-(
Mark
At 09:52 PM 6/19/2012, Carl Kunath wrote:
Like so many others, I didnât get that message.
Did it actually go out on TexasCavers or was it only a FB reference?
Scott, perhaps you could forward to TexasCavers the message you refer to.
===Carl Kunath
From: speleoste...@aol.com
I didn't either.
l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes:
I did not get that memo via CaveTex either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very
> mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been
> sleeping in a cave or something...
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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From the Facebok TSA page
<Quote>
Mark Alman
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New TC Editor Announcement!
Jill Orr has graciously offered to assume the mantle of Editor
Extraordinairre for "The TEXAS CAVER". beginning with the 3rd quarter 2012
issue, and serving as such into infinity and beyond (or until she gets
burned out and wants to hand it over to some other hapless victim, er, um,
experienced thespian!).
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b.. Linda Palit, Heather Tucek, Julia Germany and 6 others like this.
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Lyndon Tiu ?Mark Alman, thank you very much for your many years of
selfless servanthood spread em open wide up yours service to Texas caving!
Saturday at 11:28am � Like � 2
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Roger Moore Jill's a star! And three big cheers for Mark for all his
work!!
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Tone Garot ?Mark, it was a pleasure working with you when I was a Texas
caver and submitted materials to you. Best wishes for the new editor.
Saturday at 12:09pm � Like � 1
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Crash Kennedy ?Jill Orr, let's talk. I have some former-editorly advice
to impart.
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Lyndon Tiu Welcome Jill Orr!
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Butch Fralia Welcome Jill, congratulations Mark!
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Denise Prendergast Congrats to you both!
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Rafal Kedzierski Thanks Mark for all your hard work!!!
Sunday at 8:26pm � Like
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Jill Orr Ok Crash! Thanks and look forward to talking. How about after
NSS?
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