texascavers Digest 20 Feb 2012 18:49:40 -0000 Issue 1501
Topics (messages 19605 through 19613):
How much is a cave worth?
19605 by: Preston Forsythe
Re: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!
19606 by: C Tiderman
open house at library
19607 by: Mixon Bill
Cost of Rabies Shots
19608 by: Preston Forsythe
19610 by: R D Milhollin
19611 by: Preston Forsythe
19612 by: Ron R
19613 by: Lyndon Tiu
Re: Unusual and gorgeous photography (SOME BATS POLINATING)
19609 by: Fritz Holt
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Well, Supt. Pat Reed says Mammoth Cave is worth this much!
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/02/19/2075312/study-mammoth-cave-pumps-62-million.html
Article in today's Lexington Herald.
By the way we have some restoration work in MaCa lined up the first weekend
of March, plus some excellent hiking and ridgewalking in or near the park
the week before and also the following weekend.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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Carol
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From: Meredith Hall Johnson <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!
Hi NSS Members,
The 2012 NSS Members Manual will be
published in April, which means we will be taking the “snapshot” of the
membership database THIS FRIDAY! Yes, that means February 24, 2012.
If your information is incorrect, please go to
https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml and update your information.
It is your responsibility to keep this current.
If, by chance, someone in your grotto does not have e‑mail access, he or she
can call the NSS Office at 256-852-1300.
Remember, too, that this year we are voting electronically
for Directors on the Board of Governors, so please be sure your information
includes a valid e‑mail address. While
you can still ask for a paper ballot to be mailed, we’re doing this to save the
Society money.
To sum up, check today whether your information in the NSS
database is correct, current, and includes a valid e‑mail address. If you don’t
do this before Friday, your information will be wrong in the printed Members
Manual. And then how would your
friends find you?
If you are not an NSS member, now would be a great time to
join—you’ll get into the next issue of the Members
Manual!
Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor
Please forward to caver, grotto, and region listservs. Thanks!
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To celebrate having dusted my shelves of cave books for the first time
in, well, a while, I'm inviting people to come by next Wednesday
evening, February 22, to see what resources are available in my
library and the library of the AMCS. (A catalog of the AMCS library,
only slightly obsolete, is at
www.amcs-pubs.org/library/contents.html.)
It would be nice to see the material more widely used. Come by to
check it out or just for a visit anytime after 7 p.m. Google maps
knows where I am, or my own location map is at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26580089/house%20map%20small.tif.
Bill Mixon, 288-4991, 14045 North Green Hills Loop, Austin 78737.
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According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter,
Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000.
The author one evening picked up a "little fluttering thing," a bat, which
bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she
"yielded to reason (and fear)" and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do
not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She
received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But,
that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where
it is always fatal.
The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the
shots.
The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves.
By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral
Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and
jungle like area.
Cavingly,
Preston in KY
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Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes to
look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's claim.
This is from the North Dakota public health website:
http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm
"How much does rabies vaccine cost?
Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical vaccination
series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000+
per person."
>
>
and from a North Carolina new program:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/
"If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
hospital bills are worse. Hutton said the first treatment resulted in a bill of
$10,289. But why so much?
The cost of the ER facility is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a
vial of immunoglobulin. That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its
weight, a vial of immunoglobulin can cost upwards of$1,500. According to Rex
Hospital Emergency Room supervisor Sherry Witt, immunoglobulin is like liquid
gold.
According to Rex, in Hutton's $10,000 bill, that one shot was 80 percent of the
bill -more than $8,000 for that one shot."
So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet seems to
show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami Audubon seems
somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times. What would be more
informative for us would be what Texas health providers charge for the
treatment.
________________________________
From: Preston Forsythe <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter,
Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000.
The author one evening picked up a "little fluttering thing," a bat, which bit
her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she "yielded to
reason (and fear)" and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do not stock rabies
vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She received Five shots in the
upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But, that prevented the possible
rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where it is always fatal.
The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the
shots.
The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves.
By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral
Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and
jungle like area.
Cavingly,
Preston in KY
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Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.
I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
wondering if it would even be available in KY?
When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and
availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots are
good for?
There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by bats,
swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading and
crawling in deep guano.
Guano Go Caving,
Preston
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From: R D Milhollin
To: Preston Forsythe ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes
to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's claim.
This is from the North Dakota public health website:
http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm
"How much does rabies vaccine cost?
Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical vaccination
series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000+
per person."
and from a North Carolina new program:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/
"If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
hospital bills are worse. Hutton said the first treatment resulted in a bill of
$10,289. But why so much?
The cost of the ER facility is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need
a vial of immunoglobulin. That's where the big money factors in. Depending on
its weight, a vial of immunoglobulin can cost upwards of$1,500. According to
Rex Hospital Emergency Room supervisor Sherry Witt, immunoglobulin is like
liquid gold.
According to Rex, in Hutton's $10,000 bill, that one shot was 80 percent of
the bill -more than $8,000 for that one shot."
So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet seems
to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami Audubon seems
somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times. What would be more
informative for us would be what Texas health providers charge for the
treatment.
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From: Preston Forsythe <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter,
Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000.
The author one evening picked up a "little fluttering thing," a bat, which
bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she "yielded
to reason (and fear)" and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do not stock
rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She received Five shots
in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But, that prevented the
possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where it is always fatal.
The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the
shots.
The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves.
By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral
Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and
jungle like area.
Cavingly,
Preston in KY
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I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination
(pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure).
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe <[email protected]>wrote:
> **
> Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
> double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.
>
> I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
> wondering if it would even be available in KY?
>
> When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures
> and availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the
> shots are good for?
>
> There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by
> bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading
> and crawling in deep guano.
>
> Guano Go Caving,
>
> Preston
> =============================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* R D Milhollin <[email protected]>
> *To:* Preston Forsythe <[email protected]> ;
> [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
>
> Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4
> minutes to look around for other information to confirm or refute the
> article's claim.
>
>
> This is from the North Dakota public health website:
>
> http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm
>
> "How much does rabies vaccine cost?
>
> Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical
> vaccination series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from
> $2,000 to $7,000+ per person."
>
> and from a North Carolina new program:
>
>
> http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/
>
> "If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
> hospital bills are worse.
> Hutton<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/john-hutton/> said
> the first treatment resulted in a bill of
> $10,289<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/>.
> But why so much?
> The cost of the ER
> facility<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/er-facility/> is
> only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin.
> That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of
> immunoglobulin can cost upwards
> of$1,500<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/>.
> According to Rex
> Hospital<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/rex-hospital/>
> Emergency Room
> supervisor<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/position/tags/emergency-room-supervisor/>
> Sherry Witt <http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/sherry-witt/>,
> immunoglobulin is like liquid gold.
> According to Rex, in Hutton's
> $10,000<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/> bill,
> that one shot was 80 percent of the bill -more than
> $8,000<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/> for
> that one shot."
>
> So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet
> seems to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami
> Audubon seems somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times.
> What would be more informative for us would be what Texas health providers
> charge for the treatment.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Preston Forsythe <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
>
> According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter,
> Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000.
>
> The author one evening picked up a "little fluttering thing," a bat, which
> bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she
> "yielded to reason (and fear)" and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do
> not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She
> received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000.
> But, that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain,
> where it is always fatal.
>
> The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the
> shots.
>
> The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves.
>
> By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral
> Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and
> jungle like area.
>
> Cavingly,
>
> Preston in KY
>
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I wonder how much they charge in Mexico?
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On Feb 20, 2012 12:43 PM, "Preston Forsythe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> **
> Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
> double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.
>
> I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
> wondering if it would even be available in KY?
>
> When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures
> and availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the
> shots are good for?
>
> There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by
> bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading
> and crawling in deep guano.
>
> Guano Go Caving,
>
> Preston
> =============================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* R D Milhollin <[email protected]>
> *To:* Preston Forsythe <[email protected]> ;
> [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
>
> Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4
> minutes to look around for other information to confirm or refute the
> article's claim.
>
>
> This is from the North Dakota public health website:
>
> http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm
>
> "How much does rabies vaccine cost?
>
> Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical
> vaccination series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from
> $2,000 to $7,000+ per person."
>
> and from a North Carolina new program:
>
>
> http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/
>
> "If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
> hospital bills are worse.
> Hutton<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/john-hutton/> said
> the first treatment resulted in a bill of
> $10,289<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/>.
> But why so much?
> The cost of the ER
> facility<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/er-facility/> is
> only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin.
> That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of
> immunoglobulin can cost upwards
> of$1,500<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/>.
> According to Rex
> Hospital<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/rex-hospital/>
> Emergency Room
> supervisor<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/position/tags/emergency-room-supervisor/>
> Sherry Witt <http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/sherry-witt/>,
> immunoglobulin is like liquid gold.
> According to Rex, in Hutton's
> $10,000<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/> bill,
> that one shot was 80 percent of the bill -more than
> $8,000<http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/> for
> that one shot."
>
> So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet
> seems to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami
> Audubon seems somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times.
> What would be more informative for us would be what Texas health providers
> charge for the treatment.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Preston Forsythe <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
>
> According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter,
> Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000.
>
> The author one evening picked up a "little fluttering thing," a bat, which
> bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she
> "yielded to reason (and fear)" and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do
> not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She
> received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000.
> But, that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain,
> where it is always fatal.
>
> The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the
> shots.
>
> The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves.
>
> By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral
> Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and
> jungle like area.
>
> Cavingly,
>
> Preston in KY
>
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This is great micro photography video.
Fritz
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Subject: Unusual and gorgeous photography
The subject, the photography, the montage are most extraordinary. Well worth
watching as you will enthralled. Be it a hummingbird in flight (in slow motion)
doing barrel rolls to catch a fly or to see a bat with a baby attached to her
so it can feed in mid flight while she is looking for / feeding on nectar is
spectacular.
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/xHkq1edcbk4?rel=0
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