texascavers Digest 2 Apr 2012 19:20:58 -0000 Issue 1524

Topics (messages 19777 through 19788):

2012 TSA SPRING CONVENTION PICS & some videos
        19777 by: Bill Bentley
        19780 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary,  !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!
        19778 by: Stephen Fleming

UT Grotto Meeting Announcement - April 4
        19779 by: Gary Franklin

TSA Spring Convention success, THANKS to all!
        19781 by: ellie watson
        19782 by: Diana Tomchick
        19783 by: Mallory Mayeux
        19784 by: Bill Bentley
        19786 by: Don Arburn

TSA Spring Convention 2012 Group Photo
        19785 by: Bennett Lee
        19787 by: Pete Lindsley

Re: [MOCAVES] 3 cases full  WNS discovered in Lincoln County...
        19788 by: caverarch

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http://www.caver.net/tsa_/2012%20Spring%20Convention_/

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If y'all have any more photos from the Convention and reports,
commentaries, etc. you'd like to send my way for the next TEXAS CAVER,
fire away!

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:36 PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA SPRING CONVENTION PICS & some videos

 

http://www.caver.net/tsa_/2012%20Spring%20Convention_/


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Current news...

The SWR completed the volunteer historic building balcony railing repair on March 25. Everything was accomplished except some touch-up painting and caulking, which will be done in a few weeks. At some point a few photos will be posted online.

Online registration for dinner is available with payment via PayPal. A mail-in form is also available there for those wanting an alternate method. The regional notice will contain a paper form and will be in the mail to members in the next few days.

Early registration is advised. After May 1, prices increase significantly.

The clock for submissions to the 50th Anniversary publication has stopped ticking. Any late submissions may be accepted solely at the discretion of Linda Starr; no guarantees any late material will be incorporated.


IMPORTANT DATE (there's only one now)

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave




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Howdy Cavers,

You are cordially invited to attend the next
Underground Texas Grotto meeting - Wednesday April 4th from 7:45PM- 9:00PM
University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street,
Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html

City of Austin - Water Quality Protection Lands staff members will present
Karst Management: A Critical Component of the Water Quality Protection Lands

They will describe the overall management of the Water Quality Protection
Lands (WQPL) and discuss the maintenance/restoration of cave/karst function
as a critical component to providing high quality recharge water to Barton
Springs as well as provide examples of opportunities for volunteers to
assist in many of the activities described.  Come out to learn about their
mission of Environmental Awareness and for the fun and fellowship with
Austin Texas Cavers.

For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org
Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links
to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.

Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo  www.saopaulos.net  for
happy hour specials.  This area is the best place to park and meet folks
walking over to the meeting.  Then after the official meeting, we continue
with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall
tales of caving at Posse East.  www.posse-east.com

The UT Grotto Program calendar has plenty of room you, the caver with
photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or
something else really cool.  Contact me.

Sincerely,

Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice Chair & Program Organizer
512-585-6057
[email protected]

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We had a great turn out for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX
with over 130 in attendance. The weather was perfect and friends were all
around.

Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the
conventiona success!

I would like to give special thanks to the following:

   - EVERYONE  who helped out by setting up, tearing down, and pitching in
   in every place...and for all the good-times! Too many names to thank for
   all this but you all are appreciated.
   - Roger Moore & Mallory Mayeux for recruiting & scheduling great
   presenters.
   - All those who gave such impressive presentations, it wouldn't be a
   convention with out you!
   - Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell for tirelessly providing AV for
   the Convention.
   - Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting entries.
   - Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon, displaying the photos so
   nicely, and for picking up beer.
   - David Ochel and Andrea Croskrey for facilitating the Vertical Workshop.
   - Michael Cicherski for doing registration and taking care of all the
   money.
   - Jim Kennedy & Yaz for the TCMA auction.
   - Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting for
   items.
   - Vendors for bringing us the goods.
   - Bennett Lee for group photo (he should be posing it soon).
   - Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
   - Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.

Ellie

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Big thank you to Ellie for making it all possible!

I was especially pleased to see the large number of families with children at 
the Convention this year, it's great to see all the generations of cavers get 
together.

Who arranged for the after-auction entertainment? That was an inspired choice.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)




On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, ellie watson wrote:

> We had a great turn out for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX with 
> over 130 in attendance. The weather was perfect and friends were all around.
>
> Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the convention a 
> success!
>
> I would like to give special thanks to the following:
>       • EVERYONE  who helped out by setting up, tearing down, and pitching in 
> in every place...and for all the good-times! Too many names to thank for all 
> this but you all are appreciated.
>       • Roger Moore & Mallory Mayeux for recruiting & scheduling great 
> presenters.
>       • All those who gave such impressive presentations, it wouldn't be a 
> convention with out you!
>       • Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell for tirelessly providing AV for 
> the Convention.
>       • Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting entries.
>       • Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon, displaying the photos so 
> nicely, and for picking up beer.
>       • David Ochel and Andrea Croskrey for facilitating the Vertical 
> Workshop.
>       • Michael Cicherski for doing registration and taking care of all the 
> money.
>       • Jim Kennedy & Yaz for the TCMA auction.
>       • Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting for 
> items.
>       • Vendors for bringing us the goods.
>       • Bennett Lee for group photo (he should be posing it soon).
>       • Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
>       • Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.
>
> Ellie
>
>


________________________________

UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.

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Yes, thank you Ellie! Your hard work paid off--it was a wonderful
convention!

I believe Angela just volunteered to spin fire Saturday night--it wasn't
planned, but just worked out great. I absolutely loved it. Did anyone
happen to get any video of that? It was too cool.

Mallory

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Diana Tomchick <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Big thank you to Ellie for making it all possible!
>
> I was especially pleased to see the large number of families with children
> at the Convention this year, it's great to see all the generations of
> cavers get together.
>
> Who arranged for the after-auction entertainment? That was an inspired
> choice.
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: [email protected]
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, ellie watson wrote:
>
> > We had a great turn out for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX
> with over 130 in attendance. The weather was perfect and friends were all
> around.
> >
> > Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the
> convention a success!
> >
> > I would like to give special thanks to the following:
> >       • EVERYONE  who helped out by setting up, tearing down, and
> pitching in in every place...and for all the good-times! Too many names to
> thank for all this but you all are appreciated.
> >       • Roger Moore & Mallory Mayeux for recruiting & scheduling great
> presenters.
> >       • All those who gave such impressive presentations, it wouldn't be
> a convention with out you!
> >       • Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell for tirelessly providing AV
> for the Convention.
> >       • Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting
> entries.
> >       • Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon, displaying the photos
> so nicely, and for picking up beer.
> >       • David Ochel and Andrea Croskrey for facilitating the Vertical
> Workshop.
> >       • Michael Cicherski for doing registration and taking care of all
> the money.
> >       • Jim Kennedy & Yaz for the TCMA auction.
> >       • Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting
> for items.
> >       • Vendors for bringing us the goods.
> >       • Bennett Lee for group photo (he should be posing it soon).
> >       • Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
> >       • Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.
> >
> > Ellie
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine, today.
>
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I made a partial video of the last dance on my smartphone and ftp's to Butch 
Fralia, he will link it to the TSA web page... 
Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mallory Mayeux 
  To: Diana Tomchick 
  Cc: ellie watson ; [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention success, THANKS to all!


  Yes, thank you Ellie! Your hard work paid off--it was a wonderful convention! 

  I believe Angela just volunteered to spin fire Saturday night--it wasn't 
planned, but just worked out great. I absolutely loved it. Did anyone happen to 
get any video of that? It was too cool. 

  Mallory


  On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
<[email protected]> wrote:

    Big thank you to Ellie for making it all possible!

    I was especially pleased to see the large number of families with children 
at the Convention this year, it's great to see all the generations of cavers 
get together.

    Who arranged for the after-auction entertainment? That was an inspired 
choice.

    Diana

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Diana R. Tomchick
    Professor
    University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
    Department of Biochemistry
    5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
    Rm. ND10.214B
    Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
    Email: [email protected]
    214-645-6383 (phone)
    214-645-6353 (fax)





    On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, ellie watson wrote:

    > We had a great turn out for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX 
with over 130 in attendance. The weather was perfect and friends were all 
around.
    >
    > Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the 
convention a success!
    >
    > I would like to give special thanks to the following:
    >       • EVERYONE  who helped out by setting up, tearing down, and 
pitching in in every place...and for all the good-times! Too many names to 
thank for all this but you all are appreciated.
    >       • Roger Moore & Mallory Mayeux for recruiting & scheduling great 
presenters.
    >       • All those who gave such impressive presentations, it wouldn't be 
a convention with out you!
    >       • Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell for tirelessly providing AV 
for the Convention.
    >       • Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting 
entries.
    >       • Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon, displaying the photos so 
nicely, and for picking up beer.
    >       • David Ochel and Andrea Croskrey for facilitating the Vertical 
Workshop.
    >       • Michael Cicherski for doing registration and taking care of all 
the money.
    >       • Jim Kennedy & Yaz for the TCMA auction.
    >       • Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting for 
items.
    >       • Vendors for bringing us the goods.
    >       • Bennett Lee for group photo (he should be posing it soon).
    >       • Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
    >       • Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.
    >
    > Ellie
    >
    >



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    UT Southwestern Medical Center
    The future of medicine, today.

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My son has video, of course.

Sent cellularly.
-Don

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Bill Bentley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I made a partial video of the last dance on my smartphone and ftp's to Butch 
> Fralia, he will link it to the TSA web page...
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mallory Mayeux
> To: Diana Tomchick
> Cc: ellie watson ; [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention success, THANKS to all!
> 
> Yes, thank you Ellie! Your hard work paid off--it was a wonderful convention!
>  
> I believe Angela just volunteered to spin fire Saturday night--it wasn't 
> planned, but just worked out great. I absolutely loved it. Did anyone happen 
> to get any video of that? It was too cool.
>  
> Mallory
> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Diana Tomchick 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Big thank you to Ellie for making it all possible!
> 
> I was especially pleased to see the large number of families with children at 
> the Convention this year, it's great to see all      the generations of 
> cavers get together.
> 
> Who arranged for the after-auction entertainment? That was an inspired choice.
> 
> Diana
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: [email protected]
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, ellie watson wrote:
> 
> > We had a great turn out for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX 
> > with over 130 in attendance. The weather was perfect and friends were all 
> > around.
> >
> > Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the convention 
> > a success!
> >
> > I would like to give special thanks to the following:
> >       • EVERYONE  who helped out by setting up, tearing down, and pitching 
> > in in every place...and for all the good-times! Too many names to thank for 
> > all this but you all are appreciated.
> >       • Roger Moore & Mallory Mayeux for recruiting & scheduling great 
> > presenters.
> >       • All those who gave such impressive presentations, it wouldn't be a 
> > convention with out you!
> >       • Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell for tirelessly providing AV for 
> > the Convention.
> >       • Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting entries.
> >       • Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon, displaying the photos so 
> > nicely, and for picking up beer.
> >       • David Ochel and Andrea Croskrey for facilitating the Vertical 
> > Workshop.
> >       • Michael Cicherski for doing registration and taking care of all the 
> > money.
> >       • Jim Kennedy & Yaz for the TCMA auction.
> >       • Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting for 
> > items.
> >       • Vendors for bringing us the goods.
> >       • Bennett Lee for group photo (he should be posing it soon).
> >       • Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
> >       • Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.
> >
> > Ellie
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine,      today.
> 
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
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I posted the group photo for the TSA Spring Convention on TSA's Facebook
page.  Please tag yourself.

 

For those who have not succumbed to Facebook, I also posted the full-res
version here:

http://bennettlee.com/photos/caving/TSASpringConvention2012.jpg

 

--Bennett Lee


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One way to consider adding the names in a way that makes it more difficult for the Google bots to do facial recognition on cavers is to put the names in a graphic, instead of plain text. Here's an example of the way the SWR is doing this: [http://www.caves.org/region/swr/photos2.html#dec2011 ].

Another hint for any TSA cavers planning to attend the SWR 50th [http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th.html ], get your registration in by May 1st before the price goes up. You'all are welcome to join us at Historic Fort Stanton!

 - Pete

On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Bennett Lee wrote:

I posted the group photo for the TSA Spring Convention on TSA’s Facebook page. Please tag yourself.

For those who have not succumbed to Facebook, I also posted the full- res version here:
http://bennettlee.com/photos/caving/TSASpringConvention2012.jpg

--Bennett Lee


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Bad news from Missouri.


Roger Moore



-----Original Message-----
From: Jo Schaper <[email protected]>
To: MMVGrotto <[email protected]>; MeramecValleyGrotto 
<[email protected]>; mocaves <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:54 am
Subject: [MOCAVES] 3 cases full  WNS discovered in Lincoln County...


              
    
     
    Three cases of bat disease discovered in Missouri
    MDC confirms White-Nose Syndrome in bats from two caves in Lincoln    
County.
     
    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – The Missouri Department of Conservation (MDC)    
recently received confirmation that a deadly disease in bats called    
“White-Nose Syndrome” (WNS) has been found in three bats from two    caves in 
Lincoln County. The name describes a white fungus, Geomyces    destructans, 
typically found on the faces and wings of infected    bats. WNS spreads mainly 
through bat-to-bat contact and has not been    found to infect humans or other 
animals.
     
    WNS was confirmed in a little brown bat from one public cave and in    two 
tri-colored bats from a second public cave north of St. Louis by    the U. S. 
Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Center in    Madison, Wis. The 
specific names and locations of the caves are not    being disclosed to help 
prevent human disturbance of remaining bats    in the caves. The two caves are 
closed to public access.
     
    “Disturbing bats in caves while they roost or hibernate can increase    
their stress and further weaken their health,” said MDC Bat    Biologist Tony 
Elliott.
     
    Evidence of the fungus that causes WNS was first detected in    Missouri in 
April 2010 on a little brown bat found in a privately    owned cave in Pike 
County. In May 2010, evidence of the fungus was    detected on five federally 
endangered gray bats and on a northern    long-eared bat netted outside a 
public cave in Shannon County. The    three bats with WNS in Lincoln County are 
the first confirmed cases    in Missouri of the actual disease.
     
    Elliot explained that the earlier detected cases of the fungus means    the 
bats had contact with the fungus that causes WNS, but may or may    not have 
been infected with the WNS disease. He added that these    first confirmed 
cases of the disease mean the bats have WNS and the    disease is present in 
Missouri and likely to spread.
     
    “We have worked closely with the Missouri Department of Conservation    to 
prepare for the arrival of White-Nose Syndrome in Missouri,” said    U.S Fish 
and Wildlife Service Midwest Region Regional WNS    Coordinator Rich Geboy. 
“Now that we have confirmed it is here, we    will continue to work with MDC 
and our other partners in Missouri to    research and manage the disease.”
     
    MDC has been working with the Department of Natural Resources (DNR),    
Ozark National Scenic Riverways (ONSR), U.S. Forest Service (USFS)    and 
USFWS, along with conservation groups and private cave owners to    address the 
threat of WNS. Efforts include restricting access to    most publicly-owned 
caves that contain bats and educating the public    about the value of bats and 
the threat of WNS.
     
    “While many caves on public lands that house bats have been closed    to 
public access in response to the threat of White-Nose Syndrome,    Missouri’s 
numerous show caves remain open as great places for    people to discover 
nature by learning about the value of bats and    the unique ecosystems of cave 
environments,” Elliott said.
     
    Approximately 74 percent of the more than 6,300 caves in Missouri    are 
privately owned. Visitors to private caves are asked to check    with 
landowners before entering caves, and to use USFWS    decontamination protocols 
before and after visits to reduce the risk    for accidental spread of the 
fungus. Information on these protocols    is available at    
fws.gov/whitenosesyndrome/pdf/WNSDecontaminationProtocol_v012511.pdf.
     
    The WNS fungus thrives in cool, damp conditions found in many caves,    
which are also ideal hibernation and roosting sites for many bat    species. 
Bats with WNS exhibit unusual behavior such as flying    outside and clustering 
near entrances of caves and mines during the    day in cold winter months when 
they should be hibernating. This    activity uses up stored fat reserves needed 
to get them through the    winter, and they may freeze or starve to death.
     
    USFWS biologists and partners estimate that at least 5.5 million    bats 
have now died from the disease, which continues to spread. WNS    is decimating 
bat populations across eastern North America, with    mortality reaching up to 
100 percent at many sites. First documented    in New York in 2007, the disease 
has spread quickly into 19 states    and four Canadian provinces.
     
    Bats provide tremendous value as natural pest control for farms and    
forests, and also play an essential role in helping to control    insects that 
can spread disease to people.
     
    “Missouri is home to at least 12 species of bats,” Elliott    explained. 
“They are our front-line defense against many insect    pests including some 
moths, certain beetles and mosquitoes.    Missouri’s 775,000 gray bats alone 
eat more than 223 billion bugs a    year, or about 540 tons.”
     
    He added that bats are long-lived but slow-reproducing animals with    most 
species having an average lifespan of about 15 years and giving    birth 
usually to only one pup each year.
     
    “Bats also play a vital role in cave ecosystems by providing    nutrients 
for other cave life through their droppings, or guano,”    Elliott said. “Bats 
are also food for other animals such as snakes    and owls.”
     
    Elliott cautioned that people should not handle any bats, and should    
contact their local MDC office or conservation agent if they find    dead bats 
or see bats flying outside during the day during cold    winter months when 
they typically would be roosting or hibernating.
     
    More information on WNS is available at:
    fws.gov/WhiteNoseSyndrome/
    nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/white-nose_syndrome/ 
    fort.usgs.gov/wns/
nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/white-nose_syndrome/wns_definitions.jsp
     
    ####
     
     
    Server limitations prevent the inclusion of photos as attachments to    MDC 
News/All Outdoors media releases. Images of bats with White-Nose    Syndrome 
are available at    
http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/three-cases-bat-disease-discovered-missouri
     
    To follow MDC on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, or through RSS    
feeds, visit mdc.mo.gov and click on the icons at the bottom of the    page.
     
     
     
    Joe Jerek
    News Services Coordinator
    Missouri Department of Conservation
    [email protected] or 573-522-4115 x3362
    Discover Nature at www.mdc.mo.gov
     
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    Mdcnews mailing list
    [email protected]
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    Jo Schaper
    River Hills Traveler
    Assistant Editor
    800-874-8423 x 2
    [email protected]
    
    
    
-- 
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