texascavers Digest 30 Apr 2012 19:08:17 -0000 Issue 1538
Topics (messages 19894 through 19904):
Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
19894 by: Louise Power
19899 by: Stefan Creaser
19900 by: Louise Power
19901 by: Nico Escamilla
19902 by: Louise Power
19903 by: Preston Forsythe
19904 by: Chris Vreeland
Ancient Human Skeleton Stolen from Cenote
19895 by: Mark Minton
UT Grotto Meeting - Wednesday May 2
19896 by: Gary Franklin
It's a Cinco de Mayo Longhorn Project Weekend! -Saturday, May 5th
19897 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
19898 by: Lyndon Tiu
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But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
>
> Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> >
> >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over…
> >
> >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> >To: Texas Cavers
> >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> >
> >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
>
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Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
________________________________________
From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
>
> Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> >
> >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over…
> >
> >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> >To: Texas Cavers
> >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> >
> >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
>
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Apparently not.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
> Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
> To: Texas Cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> > To: [email protected]
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> > >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> > >
> > >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over…
> > >
> > >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> > >To: Texas Cavers
> > >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > >
> > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> > >
> > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
> >
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What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I
learned that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:
> Apparently not.
>
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700
>
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
> > Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
> > To: Texas Cavers
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > >
> > > This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> > > >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> > > >
> > > >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes
> over…
> > > >
> > > >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> > > >To: Texas Cavers
> > > >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
> > >
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As you may have noticed, common sense is not all that common.
Louise
From: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned
that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
Apparently not.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
> Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
> To: Texas Cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> > To: [email protected]
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> > >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> > >
> > >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over…
> > >
> > >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> > >To: Texas Cavers
> > >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > >
> > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> > >
> > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
> >
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Well did you see the Yahoo news today where a 55 yr old lady hiking solo in
Utah jumped 4 ft and broke a leg. Took 'em 4 days to find her. She was a couple
of miles from her vehicle.
Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet?
Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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From: Nico Escamilla
To: Louise Power
Cc: Texas Cavers
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned
that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]>
wrote:
Apparently not.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
> Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
> To: Texas Cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
>
> But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> > To: [email protected]
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> > >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> > >
> > >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes
over…
> > >
> > >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> > >To: Texas Cavers
> > >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > >
> >
>http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> > >
> >
>http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
> >
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Also, he didn't really "die in a cave." He happened to jump into the ocean near
one.
On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
> As you may have noticed, common sense is not all that common.
>
> Louise
>
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
>
> What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned
> that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age.
>
> Nico
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Apparently not.
>
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700
>
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!!
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Louise Power [[email protected]]
> > Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55
> > To: Texas Cavers
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> >
> > But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign?
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > >
> > > This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010!
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> > > >“Warning signs might help…” – news reader.
> > > >
> > > >Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes
> > > >over…
> > > >
> > > >From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM
> > > >To: Texas Cavers
> > > >Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave
> > > >
> > > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diver&rel=MSN
> > > >
> > > >http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diver&rel=MSN&cpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c
> > >
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An archaeologically important human skeleton has been stolen
from a cenote in
Mexico:
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21741-bones-of-ancient-american-stolen-from-underwater-cave.htm>
Mark
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Howdy Caver,
You are cordially invited to attend the Underground Texas Grotto meeting on
Wednesday March 21, 2012 7:45 PM - 9:00 PM
University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street,
Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
Vickie Siegel will present - Slovenia: A Holey Land for Cavers
Slovenia is home to the Kras region from which the term "karst" originated
and the small country has over 8500 documented caves. Vickie spent a
frozen week touring the crème de la crème of these caves with the local
hydrogeologists. Come see cool photos and hear her new "sketchiest
experience in a cave" story . Please join the inner sanctum of Austin
Texas Cavers and visit with friends of the extended caver community.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org
Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links
to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.
Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for
happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks
walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue
with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall
tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com
The UT Grotto needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about
your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact
me.
Sincerely,
Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice Chair & Program Organizer
512-585-6057
[email protected]
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Ay carumba!
It's time, once again, for the Longhorn Caverns State Park Project, and
danged if it doesn't fall on Cinco de Mayo!
In celebration, I will be bringing a bunch of beef fajita meat and my
chef's hat. Barbara and Lyndon Tiu have volunteered to bring some bell
peppers, jalapeno and onions, a bag of cheese, salsa and some
tortillas.
Any other goodies and beverages you want to bring are most welcomed. I
will have plates, napkins, and utensils.
As far as the Longhorn Caverns SP Project goes, we will have a triple
pronged effort this weekend.
* We will re-visit work on the Lovers Lane area (bring
wheelbarrows, shovels, and buckets if you have 'em!). After the 6" rain
they received in March, much mud and silt was re-deposited on the
walkway and we will try to remove as much as possible.
* Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell will be leading a crew
digging in an upper parallel passage above the Lumbago Alley Drain. This
is a promising lead and there may be a downward trend connection to the
lower passage that may add more passageway to the existing cave.
* If we have enough help, access, and volunteers we discovered
last month that the Crownover Causeway has silted back in, somewhat, and
could stand to be dug out. I will have our patented dirt transport
system there to ease this job, if needed.
Overnight camping will be available Friday and Saturday night. Contact
me for access info and I would recommend mosquito repellant, as they
were quite bad last month.
The weekend will culminate Saturday with our Mexican feast, a beautiful
night of stargazing, and banter and repartee from atop the Observation
Tower at the park, before we head home Sunday.
Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any
new faces interested in helping out.
This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it
that way and we guarantee a great weekend!
Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park
staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers!
Hope to see you this month!
Thanks!
Mark
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And for $10 I will eat em hot peppers ... maybe not.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:24 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ay carumba!
>
> It’s time, once again, for the Longhorn Caverns State Park Project, and
> danged if it doesn’t fall on Cinco de Mayo!
>
> In celebration, I will be bringing a bunch of beef fajita meat and my chef’s
> hat. Barbara and Lyndon Tiu have volunteered to bring some bell peppers,
> jalapeno and onions, a bag of cheese, salsa and some tortillas.
>
> Any other goodies and beverages you want to bring are most welcomed. I will
> have plates, napkins, and utensils.
>
> As far as the Longhorn Caverns SP Project goes, we will have a triple
> pronged effort this weekend.
>
>
>
> · We will re-visit work on the Lovers Lane area (bring wheelbarrows,
> shovels, and buckets if you have ‘em!). After the 6” rain they received in
> March, much mud and silt was re-deposited on the walkway and we will try to
> remove as much as possible.
>
>
>
> · Christopher Francke and Leslie Bell will be leading a crew digging
> in an upper parallel passage above the Lumbago Alley Drain. This is a
> promising lead and there may be a downward trend connection to the lower
> passage that may add more passageway to the existing cave.
>
> · If we have enough help, access, and volunteers we discovered last
> month that the Crownover Causeway has silted back in, somewhat, and could
> stand to be dug out. I will have our patented dirt transport system there to
> ease this job, if needed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Overnight camping will be available Friday and Saturday night. Contact me
> for access info and I would recommend mosquito repellant, as they were quite
> bad last month.
>
>
>
> The weekend will culminate Saturday with our Mexican feast, a beautiful
> night of stargazing, and banter and repartee from atop the Observation Tower
> at the park, before we head home Sunday.
>
> Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new
> faces interested in helping out.
>
> This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that
> way and we guarantee a great weekend!
>
> Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff,
> and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers!
>
>
> Hope to see you this month!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Lyndon Tiu
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