texascavers Digest 26 Jun 2011 01:32:27 -0000 Issue 1343
Topics (messages 18140 through 18150):
Re: hoaxaphobia
18140 by: Mark Minton
Re: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)
18141 by: Fritz Holt
18142 by: Joe Ranzau
New Texas Caver - the missing ending words of my Spring Creek Cave article
18143 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
map of corruption in Mexico (from The Economist)
18144 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
link
18145 by: Bill Bentley
Goat Sucker
18146 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
Ruckers Cave
18147 by: Fran Hutchins
Bat Phone in the BBC News
18148 by: Sheryl Rieck
Mexico in June
18149 by: michael david
WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online
18150 by: Alex Sproul
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At 11:32 PM 6/22/2011, Logan McNatt wrote:
Anonymousaphobia: fear of signing one's own name
Reminds me of narapoia - fear that you are following someone. ;-)
Mark
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Permanent email address is [email protected]
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Rod,
After you were abducted how long did it take for them to bring you back?
F
________________________________
From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:17 PM
To: Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
goodidea)
Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read your
chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my somewhat
cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Gluesenkamp
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: "[email protected]" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
goodidea)
Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. ....
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> goodidea)
>
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod.
>
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> From: Fritz Holt
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good
> idea)
>
> Rod,
>
> I am pretty sure I posted this "human interest" snake and alligator stuff on
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy's
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate.
> Probably a computer glitch or he's getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism,
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on
> keeping on.
>
> Fritz
>
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good
> idea)
>
>
> Andy,
>
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies
> of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw:
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else
> that I have found?
>
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
>
> Damn, Fritz! More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes. Neither image
> is from Texas either. Slap the person who sent you these, please!
>
> Andy
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Please don't, at least to TexasCavers...
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]>wrote:
> ** ** **
>
> Rod,****
>
> ** **
>
> After you were abducted how long did it take for them to bring you back? *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> F****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* **Rod Goke** [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:17 PM
> *To:* Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> goodidea)
> ****
>
> ** **
>
>
> Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read
> your chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my
> somewhat cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.****
>
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
> To: **Fritz Holt**
> Cc: "**[email protected]**" , **Rod Goke** , Andy Gluesenkamp ,
> TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> goodidea)
>
> Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. ....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, **Fritz Holt** wrote:
>
> > I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send
> intended posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
> >
> > Fritz
> >
> > From: **[email protected]** [mailto:**[email protected]**]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> > To: **Fritz Holt**; '**Rod Goke**'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> goodidea)
> >
> > I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod.
> >
> > Sheryl
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > From: **Fritz Holt**
> > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> > To: '**Rod Goke**'; Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> good idea)
> >
> > Rod,
> >
> > I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff
> on both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate.
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced
> criticism, I usually have pretty thick skin. Until b**anne**d from the
> site, I will keep on keeping on.
> >
> > Fritz
> >
> > From: **Rod Goke** [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> > To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a
> good idea)
> >
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange
> messages to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received
> 2 copies of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49
> PM and the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject
> "[Texascavers] Fw: FW: ****Texas**** snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of
> your postings to Texascavers apparently criticized Fritz for falling for
> some alleged hoax, but we never received anything from Fritz containing this
> hoax. Why are you using Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged
> hoax, when no such hoax was posted to Texascavers in the first place, either
> by Fritz or by anyone else that I have found?
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Gluesenkamp
> > Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> > To: texas cavers
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good
> idea)
> >
> > Damn, Fritz! More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes. Neither
> image
> > is from ****Texas**** either. Slap the person who sent you these,
> please!
> >
> > Andy
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You dues paid TSA members, I hope you have downloaded the new issue of the
Texas Caver. My article about Spring Creek Cave has the last three words
omitted. They are:
good on it.
So, on page 14, the last sentence of my article should read:
We were there briefly, and it is fleeting these days to keep a cave in the
list of the ten longest caves in Texas, but I made a vow to the landowner,
and I think in the end I will make GOOD ON IT.
Bill Steele
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/05/bribery_mexico
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http://cavingnews.com/
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A book review: Tracking the Chupacabra: The Vampire Beast in Fact, Fiction, and
Folklore . By Benjamin Radford, University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque.
The legend was started in Puerto Rico (where there is a long history of vampire
belief) by a woman named Madelyne Tolentino. As the Chupacabra legend
spread to Mexico and northward into the United States the beast changed from
a bipedal being with spikes down its back to a quadruped, something along the
lines of a dog, wolf, or coyote.
Radford tracked down and interviewed Tolentino, after which everything falls
into place.
Reviewer Matt Crowley sums it up: "Though modestly titled, this book is
arguably the greatest cryptozoological book ever written."
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Looking for the contact person or land owner information to Ruckers Cave. You
can respond off line you like.
thanks,
fran
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BBC has an article on how technology is helping save wildlife and part of it
is about a bat phone to track bats in an area.
Sheryl
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/13454621
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Just returned from a week of diving in Cozumel and Tulum. Spent a few days
in Cozumel enjoying palancar reefs with my daughter and then we all went to
Tulum to finish the trip off with some cenotes.
On Coz we did a couple dives in Aerolito (underwater cave system), checked
out the sulfer falls and dead zone areas. Enjoyed a dive with German
<http://www.germanyanez.com/>and then left for the mainland.
Stayed at Robbies (Xibalba dive center <http://www.xibalbadivecenter.com/>)
in Tulum. Xibalba is a great place to say, the rooms are very nice and
relaxing at the end of the day in the pool was welcome after fighting off
the mosquitoes at some of the cenotes.
We revisited some of our favorite places, Grand Cenote, Car Wash, Dos Ojos
and dove Mayan Blue and Temple of Doom for the first time. The mosquitoes at
Mayan Blue are not to be underestimated...we ended up driving to the main
road after the dive still in our wetsuits, masks and hoods while Cora
continued to kill them off in the car...no amount of bug killer would
suffice...you must be covered up...however the cave was beautiful and worth
the bumps.
Mayan Blue (Cenote Escondido)
Car Wash (Aktun ha)
Temple of Doom (posted at Cenote Cala Vera on road)
My daughter really enjoyed the cenote tours with Richie from Xibalba; we all
dove Angelita and it was basically just like the pictures...now she's
talking about wanting to take a cavern course.
We only took a couple videos as we were mostly diving new systems and
passages and have a policy that we only video tape after diving the exact
route at least three times.
Here's a short video of the River Run line in Dos Ojos...i know i know, the
camera is 11 years old and we don't have the correct lights...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WFsXmkLrk
Also proposed to Cora in the Grand Cenote right about where we took this
picture. Now planning a wedding for next year, seriously considering doing
it underwater and in a cave as that will be reduce the guest list and our
expenses considerably.
Grand Cenote (Sac Aktun)
Tulum Tips
On the way down to Tulum from Playa stop at the ty-coz vendor at the first
gas station on the right. The economic sandwich is 15 pesos...and worth
every bit.
Be sure to check the gas pump BEFORE you get a fill, no matter how you argue
with the attendant that 30 liters is NOT a half a tank, ask him to call the
police or demand to see his manager you will end up still giving $10 extra
unless you ensure the pump is zeroed out BEFORE filling anything.
Coba ruins
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Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:
I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing
on WNS, or the video. NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an
**outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on
their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take
notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better
representation.
Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including
photos and links to the video and testimonies.
http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
%20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link
is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the
bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We
Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")
The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee
members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5
minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011
Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports
to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to
members, and had additional copies available for the audience as
well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a
reference for data and more information.
I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing,
and read Peter's and the other testimonies.
Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.
Cheryl
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