texascavers Digest 12 Jan 2011 20:32:57 -0000 Issue 1224
Topics (messages 16841 through 16848):
Re: Facebook
16841 by: David
Re: Facebook related
16842 by: Mark Minton
16843 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
16844 by: Fritz Holt
16845 by: Gill Edigar
16846 by: Fofo
16847 by: Fritz Holt
Re: January CBSP trip report
16848 by: germanyj.aol.com
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One of the links I posted earlier was not right.
Try this one:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-Caver-Discussion-Forum/100144753397480?v=wall
That is a temporary page. Someone with more Facebook expertise is
welcome to over-write it,
modify it, expand on it, etc. I only put it out there to talk
about Facebook related to Texas caving
issues, so that Cavetex would not get a bunch of unwanted post.
Here are some sites I left out:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12567860570
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-blind-salamander/126902757353285
And,
Who are these folks?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=242762350877
Also, most of you know that all the major caving vendors are on
Facebook.
David Locklear
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At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:
Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
if I think it's interesting enough.
--Ediger
And I hope that will continue. General discussions and
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on
Texascavers. That's what it's for. It's no harder to post there
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in Facebook?
Mark Minton
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Agreed, Mark.
There is so much trivial, mundane, and downright stupid posts on FB that
I am
Seriously considering dropping out from it.
And, yes, some of those same posts on FB came from yours truly.
Mark
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Facebook related
At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:
>Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
>if I think it's interesting enough.
>--Ediger
And I hope that will continue. General discussions and
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on
Texascavers. That's what it's for. It's no harder to post there
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in
Facebook?
Mark Minton
Please reply to [email protected]
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I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable)
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong
with [email protected] or OT?
Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
713-818-2496 AT&T cell
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
CaveTex.
Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing
in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.
Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
not possible on Cavetex.
Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
planning feature
of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
several caving organizations in Texas.
Below is an example:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
for communicating.
Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
bats.
I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
many of the other
things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.
You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends
to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
particular project.
For example,
http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
David Locklear
co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
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Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends & current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable)
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's
> wrong with [email protected] or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
> resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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MySpace... I should join that. I think it's growing like crazy and doing great.
:)
- Fofo
On Jan 12, 2011 10:08, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable)
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong
with [email protected] or OT?
Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
713-818-2496 AT&T cell
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
CaveTex.
Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing
in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.
Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
not possible on Cavetex.
Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
planning feature
of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
several caving organizations in Texas.
Below is an example:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
for communicating.
Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
bats.
I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
many of the other
things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.
You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends
to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
particular project.
For example,
http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
David Locklear
co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
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No argument against this mode for those with the time to devote to basically
non productive endeavors, myself included. Fun entertainment, information?
One can get all of this on the internet without being on facebook. OT works
fine for me.
F
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: David; Cavers Texas; Off-Topic Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related
Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends & current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable)
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's
> wrong with [email protected] or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
> resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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Denise’s dog Radish had a major conniption fit about the ‘dillo, and tried to
eat it.
HAHAHAHAHA - I'm sure that was hilarious to witness.
I bet the 'dillo was bigger than the dog.
I love fearless Radish!
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From: Jim Kennedy <[email protected]>
To: CaveTex <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 3:14 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP trip report
Project date: 7–9 January 2011
Reported by: Jim Kennedy
Report date: 11 January 2011
Person-hours: 262 hours (164 work, 98 travel)
Personnel: (23 folks) Alexandra Albach, Gus Albach, Rebecca Albach, Robert
Albach, Don Arburn, Dale Barnard, Grace Borengasser, Laura Cox, Ryan Fabich,
Galen Falgout, Lydia Hernandez, Jim Kennedy, Vivian Loftin, Karen Masters, Ryan
Monjaras, Joe Naderer, David Ochel, Denise Prendergast, Ann Scott, Matt Turner,
Nicholas Yasui, Matt Zaldivar, Andy Zenker
This has been one of the best turnouts in recent years. Six teams were
fielded, most concentrating on the recently-burned Lively Pasture area. Two
caves were mapped, many locations ground-truthed, more new karst features
found, a known karst feature was turned into a cave, and some new caves were
discovered, one of which (Marshmallow) is a pretty exciting find with a lot of
potential.
Team 1 Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner, Becky Albach, and (part time) Gus
Albach
Matt and I had several goals this weekend: to remove the awkward entrance rock
at Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222), enlarge the entrance at K-46 (SAB704 — now
renamed Rebeccas Rift), and ground-truth more caves near Embryo Cave (SAB226)
and Gas Pipe Cave (SAB267). We accomplished all of those, and more.
We once again drove back the access road toward the remote group camp
(“Windmill Camp”) and parked in a nearby clearing. We carried our tools and a
rope and some rigging for Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222). We demolished the big,
awkward boulder straddling the entrance. We were going to set a couple of
bolts to facilitate entry, but Jim forgot to bring them. A couple other groups
caught up with this team about then, and David (Team 2) began to rig the
entrance and prepare for the survey.
The duo then took off for K-46 (SAB704) with Robert’s younger daughter Becky.
The threesome looked at some other caves and karst features along the way, and
quickly arrived at their destination. About an hour’s worth of work had the
narrow rift sufficiently enlarged that a skinny team could probably fit. The
depth was measured with a Disto at 5.8m, so it is definitely a cave. To
commemorate Becky’s hard work in digging open this feature, it was renamed
Rebeccas Rift.
They returned to Sharis Diet Cave (SAB205) to retrieve Team 3 and send them on
to Rebeccas Rift to push and map it, but they were already done and gone. They
were found again at Rabbit Run Grotto, briefed, and sent off to Rebeccas Rift.
Team 1 then picked up Gus Albach and headed off to find more caves.
Trapdoor Cave (SAB690) was finally GPSed. They then found Gas Pipe Cave
(SAB267), which had two sets of coordinates, both wrong. Good coordinates were
gathered. Then off to Embryo Cave (SAB226), where better coordinates were also
collected. Slick Mudder Cave (SAB225) was also mislocated, but eventually
found and recorded. However, it is not a cave, just a shallow karst feature
filled with sediment. We found the tag on a nearby tree, so we knew that this
is the “cave” that is in our database. We wandered around some more trying to
find other nearby caves with the GPS. Cave Number 6 (SAB224) eluded us, even
though we all walked several circles around where it was supposed to be. A
small crevice sort-of nearby was found, but it wasn’t tagged (so far called
“Crevice Karst Feature”). The team also re-found SABK045, an unnamed karst
feature, and SB231, and unnamed cave in a dense thicket. Coordinates were a
bit off for both, and it is unsure whether or not they are actually on the Park
property, so no further investigation of these two occurred. One more obvious
trash-filled sink (“Trash Sink”) right next to the road was also recorded.
Surprisingly, no one ever recorded it before.
The highlight of the day, however, came with the discovery of another new cave,
Marshmallow Cave (no SAB number yet). As usual, Jim noticed a shallow slump
under some trees. A few rocks were removed, revealing a larger collapse,
mostly covered by soil and large rocks. After an hour or so of work by Jim,
Matt, and the kids, the entrance was large enough for Jim to enter. A fairly
easy climbdown of about 3.5 meters opened to a dry stream crawl of easy
hands-and-knees dimensions. After about 30m, the passage picked up another
infeeder, and dropped 4m to another going dry stream passage. The air was a
little bad there, and two impressionable young children were along, so it was
decided not to try anything foolhardy at that point. This cave is trending
towards Tie Slide Creek, and looks like a good one. Becky came up with the
name, based on the white rocks at the entrance.
After arriving back at the trucks, Jim decided to make one more journey back to
Rabbit Run Grotto to check on the status of the other teams. Heading in a
GPS-directed beeline, he soon found two more good looking leads that will need
enlarging, but should turn into a cave, Cairn Sink 1 and Cairn Sink 2. People
and gear were gathered, trucks were entered, and camp was returned to.
Team one’s hours: 27.0
Team 2 David Ochel, Grace Borengasser, Joe Naderer, Robert Albach,
Alexandra Albach
This team hiked into Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222) from the Lively Pasture
trailhead (Windmill Parking Lot). Some team members had to return to their
vehicles for additional vertical gear, and got lost on the way out and back,
causing delays. Rigging was achieved and survey started while these delays
occurred. Eventually, David and Robert got most of the rest of the cave
surveyed. More time was spent getting Alexandra, Grace, and Joe kitted up and
on rope. This was Joe’s first ever wild cave trip, so he started off with a
bang! Alexandra explored a lead at the bottom of the cave which eventually got
too tight. It looks diggable (mud) and reasonably promising. Multiple
variations of chimneying, rock-climbing, and single rope techniques eventually
got everyone out of the cave. Team 3 showed up again, and Nicholas and Andy
toured the cave before derigging it and returning to camp. 31.15m were
surveyed, with a depth of 13.13m.
Team two’s hours: 40.0
Team 3 Andy Zenker, Matt Zaldivar, Nicholas Yasui
This team, affectionately known among us as “Team Flaco,” was to go directly to
recently-opened Sharis Diet Cave (SAB205). However, despite clear directions
and even being re-found on the Park road and given directions a second time,
never found the correct access road and ending up parking and hiking much
further than necessary. The cave was entered and the survey completed in 2
shots to a too-tight drain at the bottom. Survey length is 10.12m, and depth
is 10.07m.
Afterwards, the team went to Rabbit Run Grotto, met Jim and the others, were
pointed toward Rebeccas Rift (SAB704), and took off following the GPS which
they did not no how to use. After wandering in the wrong direction for a while
they finally figured it out, and reached their destination. They removed more
of the small rocks left by Team 1, but there is still one more in the way, so
no survey was achieved. This cave still needs a little more modification
before anyone returns. Frustrated, they returned to Rabbit Run Grotto again
and Andy and Nicholas toured the cave before it was derigged.
Matt went back to camp with Team 1, and the remaining GPS-challenged cavers
thrashed about in the dark hunting unsuccessfully for their vehicle. Luckily
Robert from Team 2 found them along a road and gave them a lift back to their
car, saving them hours more hiking.
Team three’s hours: 27.0
Team 4 Don Arburn, Ann Scott, Denise Prendergast, Galen Falgout
This team was comprised of three experienced cavers just wanting to get out and
hike, and the enthusiastic “new blood” in the form of Galen. They parked at
the Lively Pasture trailhead and followed the trail up Gorman Creek. Their
first objective was SAB187, an unnamed, unmapped cave. However, they either
missed it, or it wasn’t where the coordinates indicated. They did find a
variety of other unrecorded holes and karst features, stuffing Galen into each
as far as he could go. It was determined that they could estimate the depth of
each feature by multiplying how many body lengths he could fit, and coining the
“Galen” as a unit of measurement (1.8m). SAB198, another unnamed, unmapped
cave, could not be found, and obviously has bad coordinates. They continued,
re-finding Cenote del Carne (SAB196) and correcting the location coordinates.
They then tried to find Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197), but the current
coordinates are very bad and it remained unfound. SBK068, an unnamed karst
feature, was found, and the coordinates were pretty good. Sore Back Cave
(SAB194) was passed nearby, but another nearby unnamed, unmapped cave, SAB193,
was also not re-found.
They then looped back down the hillside, finding another cave near Cenote del
Carne. This was labeled as 2 Burnt Ropes Cave (no SAB number yet). It is a
tight, deep hole and no handholds, and two 2m lengths of burned rope hanging
from a bush protruding from the cave entrance. A few more digs were noted and
recorded, including features previously tagged K8, K9, and K10. These three do
not seem to be in the database yet. Eventually the group ended up at the
historic entrance to Gorman Creek Crevice Cave (SAB183a). Galen went in a ways
and checked out all the “big” passage. They then toured a bunch of entrances
documented during the October trip, finding one of Jim’s lost bug bottles
(empty) at Onerock Karst Feature (SAB707). Eventually they meandered up to
Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222) in time to see Grace enter and just missing Team 1.
They then turned back to the truck, finding another dig and another feature,
missed the first time, named Peptohole (no SAB number yet) after Denise’s
missing bag of Pepto-Bismol tablets. An armadillo was caught and photos taken.
Denise’s dog Radish had a major conniption fit about the ‘dillo, and tried to
eat it. It was safely released and the team returned to camp.
Team four’s hours: 22.0
Team 5 Dale Barnard, Vivian Loftin, Ryan Fabich
Dale and crew returned to Sore Back Cave (SAB194), and old survey project of
his. He attempted to return in January 2010 to work on his sketches, but that
trip was aborted when team member Chris Butschek became wedged in the entrance,
requiring Park personnel for extrication. This time he had a clipboard and
photocopies of the old notes to add details. There is no evidence of the minor
rock-breaking that occurred during the rescue. Dale sketched the second tight
entrance that was neglected in 1995, when he did the original survey. After
frustrations with his old profile, he started to resurvey part of the cave.
Eventually he decided that the old notes were pretty good after all. He added
more details, and the team left the cave. On the way back they visited the
Horseshoe Chimney Entrance to Gorman Creek Crevice Cave (SAB183b) and the
Historic (Gorman Creek Crevice) Entrance to Gorman Creek Crevice Cave (SAB183a)
before returning to camp.
Team five’s hours: 18.0
Team 6 Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Lydia Hernandez, Laura Cox
This team set out for Great Gaspy Cave (SAB682) and Critical Moss Cave (SAB683)
to FINALLY finish the surveys of both, and to ridgewalk the surrounding area to
look for more new caves. They began at Gaspy, where Lydia wanted to clean up
data from the December trip. All but Karen entered the cave and collected
additional information. Karen reviewed her notes and sketch of Critical Moss,
and did a little hiking around. As the Gaspy group was exiting, they heard a
loud bang. No one saw anything, but cave monsters were conjectured. Laura
unfortunately dropped her camera, which was retrieved, but the LCD viewscreen
was broken.
The group then went to Critical Moss and entered to resume the survey. Six
bats were noted, probably Tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus). At station
4 Karen noted that the squeeze still had bad air, confirmed with Ryan’s
lighter. Lydia and Ryan entered the squeeze to assess the air in the back room
while Karen and Laura checked the data. Lydia and Ryan returned, short of
breath, and said that the air was bad to the end. After a brief discussion it
was decided not to dig, but hopefully still continue the survey. Karen and
Lydia set up at station 5, but realized that it would take multiple shots to
get through the restriction, something none of them looked forward to. In the
end it was decided not to pursue the survey. Some crickets were noted
procreating in the cave, recorded by Ryan on Lydia’s camera.
Another hour and a half were spent ridgewalking. The scenery was enjoyable.
The group re-found Polish Cave (SAB233) and collected new (and better?)
coordinates.
Team six’s hours: 30.0
What Should Be Done Next:
Re-tag Sharis Diet Cave (SAB205), which currently has a “K11” tag on it.
Continue to enlarge Rebeccas Rift (SAB704), and survey it. Re-tag.
Re-find MM Hole (SAB191), Cave #6 (SAB224), and Centennial Cave (SAB239), map
MM Hole and Cave #6.
Map Marshmallow Cave.
Revisit Team 4's leads to assess enlargeability and to re-find the other caves
and karst features not located.
Go back to Critical Moss Cave (SAB683) to push lead at bottom and finish map.
Tag Great Gaspy Cave (SAB682).
Ridgewalk more of burned area in Lively pasture to look for new features and
verify some questionable points, especially the area around Space Heater Cave
(SAB203), Earth Day Delight Cave (SAB257), Sore Toe Cave (SAB179), and Varmint
Trap Cave (SAB178); the area around Don’t Fit Pit (SAB199), unnamed cave
SAB195, and unnamed cave SAB193; and the area around Peps Pit (SAB315), Coon
Scat Crevice (SAB273), unnamed cave SAB291, Shrink to Fit Cave (SAB218), Hard
Wedge Cave (SAB 272), Good n’ Tight Cave (SAB283), and Arizona Cave (SAB282).
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