texascavers Digest 14 Jan 2011 12:36:01 -0000 Issue 1225
Topics (messages 16849 through 16856):
Re: Facebook related
16849 by: Louise Power
16850 by: Daniel Morgan
16851 by: Bill Bentley
caves in new video games
16852 by: David
16853 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
16854 by: Stefan Creaser
Report for the NSS - Conservation in 2010
16855 by: Linda Palit
Re: TSA 2011 Winter Business Meeting, Sunday, January 23rd - 2nd Reminder
16856 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
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Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's personal
information.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable)
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's
> wrong with [email protected] or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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This conversation is starting to remind me of the 90s when I first told my
parents that I wanted to order a book online and they thought I was crazy.
"It's called Amazon dot com. I'll give you cash if can use your credit card
to order it for me."
"You want to put my credit card on THE INTERNET?! What's wrong with book
stores? Book stores have books."
I watch the TexasCaver email list, obviously, but using e-mail as a
discussion forum for hundreds of people is not terribly elegant. Other than
mine us for our precious bodily fluids, er... I mean private information,
free-form discussions amongst groups of people is what sites like Facebook
do best.
I'm putting this whole thread in a time capsule for 5 years from now.
Daniel Morgan
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:
> Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's
> personal information.
>
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> >
> > I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to
> communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and
> indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to
> cavers, what's wrong with [email protected] or OT?
> >
> > Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> > 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> > To: Cavers Texas
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
> >
> > Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> > CaveTex.
> >
> > Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
> socializing
> > in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
> >
> > Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> > Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
> >
> > Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas
> caver has.
> > Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> > not possible on Cavetex.
> >
> > Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> > planning feature
> > of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
> >
> > As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as
> does
> > several caving organizations in Texas.
> >
> > Below is an example:
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
> >
> > I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
> resource
> > for communicating.
> >
> > Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> > CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good
> cavers
> > or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> > bats.
> >
> > I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> > many of the other
> > things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
> >
> > It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> > cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> > tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their
> road-trips.
> >
> > The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make
> caving
> > in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue
> call-out
> > might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
> project.
> > You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
> friends
> > to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> > particular project.
> >
> > For example,
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
> >
> >
> > Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
> >
> >
> > David Locklear
> > co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
> >
> >
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
> >
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the WAR room!"
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From: Daniel Morgan
Cc: Texas Cavers
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related
This conversation is starting to remind me of the 90s when I first told my
parents that I wanted to order a book online and they thought I was crazy.
"It's called Amazon dot com. I'll give you cash if can use your credit card
to order it for me."
"You want to put my credit card on THE INTERNET?! What's wrong with book
stores? Book stores have books."
I watch the TexasCaver email list, obviously, but using e-mail as a
discussion forum for hundreds of people is not terribly elegant. Other than
mine us for our precious bodily fluids, er... I mean private information,
free-form discussions amongst groups of people is what sites like Facebook do
best.
I'm putting this whole thread in a time capsule for 5 years from now.
Daniel Morgan
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>
wrote:
Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's
personal information.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to
communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and
indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to
cavers, what's wrong with [email protected] or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas
caver has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their
road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
>
http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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According to the video clip below, you can now play a video game that
lets you shoot cave critters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nqVlvuXTBc
scroll to 5:13
I think you get points for picking up fossil bones and skulls, and for killing
the creatures, which are lots of snakes and ferocious dogs ( hyenas ?
), and a t-rex.
I don't know if you get points for shooting the bats.
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How about a game where landowners can shoot cavers?
Jan 13, 2011 11:18:34 AM, [email protected] wrote:
According to the video clip below, you can now play a video game that
lets you shoot cave critters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nqVlvuXTBc
scroll to 5:13
I think you get points for picking up fossil bones and skulls, and for killing
the creatures, which are lots of snakes and ferocious dogs ( hyenas ?
), and a t-rex.
I don't know if you get points for shooting the bats.
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That’s called ‘IRL’ isn’t it?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caves in new video games
How about a game where landowners can shoot cavers?
Jan 13, 2011 11:18:34 AM, [email protected] wrote:
According to the video clip below, you can now play a video game that
lets you shoot cave critters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nqVlvuXTBc
scroll to 5:13
I think you get points for picking up fossil bones and skulls, and for killing
the creatures, which are lots of snakes and ferocious dogs ( hyenas ?
), and a t-rex.
I don't know if you get points for shooting the bats.
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If your grotto, organization, or you individually have participated in any
cave conservation activities in the past year, please send me a short report
including a description of accomplishments, location, and if possible man
hours and dates. If you are missing any information, send it anyway.
This is just for the NSS which documents efforts at national conservation of
caves.
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Just a reminder...
(Note the date below in red)
Happy New Year, y'all!
We will be having our first exciting and riveting TSA Business meeting
of 2011 at High Noon, Sunday, January 23rd at the TSS Offices on the UT
campus.
If you have questions or problems, please contact me at
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> or 214-289-9181 or
Ron Ralph at [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> or
512-797-3817.
Please let me and Ron know if you will be attending, so that James will
have your name.
A Pickle Research Campus map is at: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/
Click on the "NW Area" to find TM-2 or building 18-A located on the main
entrance road. It is a three-story brick affair with entrance on the
west. Park to the south in the PETEX lot across the street (Read
Granberry Trail) from building 18-A
We can easily seat 12 or so folks easily and more if they want to sit
away from the big table. Visitors will be welcome, just sign in with Ron
or me so that James can secure access.
Here's the agenda and minutes from the last meeting. Please read them,
as there will be a test!
2011 Winter Business Meeting
TSS Offices on the UT Campus, Sunday, January 23rd, 2011
Texas Speleological Association
Agenda
* Welcome and Introductions
* Chairman's Report
* Vice Chairman's Report
* Secretary's Report - Minutes of TSA Fall Business Meeting at
TCR Hidden Falls Adventure Park, Sunday, October 17th, 2010
* Treasurers Report
* TSA Projects - Jim Kennedy
* Gov't Canyon - Marvin Miller
* Colorado Bend State Park - Crash
* Longhorn Cavern Project - Mark Alman
* Inner Space Caverns Project - Mark Alman
* Hill Country State Natural Area & Devils River -
Rob Bissett
* Camp Wood Ranch and West Texas Leads- Arron
Wertheim
* Future Project Ideas
* Standing Committee Reports
* TSA Website - Butch Fralia
* Membership Chair - TBA
* Conservation Committee - Open and Jim Kennedy (WNS
Update)
* Safety and Techniques - David Ochel
* Publications - Mark Alman
* The TEXAS CAVER and status of online access to
back issues.
* TSA Store - Lee Jay Graves
* Old Business
* TSA Spring Convention - April 1st-3rd, 2011, Fort Clark
Springs, Brackettville, TX
* New TSA Bat Stickers and Die - Don Arburn and Lee Jay
Graves
* New Business
* Announcements?
* End of Meeting (Let's go home!)
MINUTES OF FALL TSA BUSINESS MEETING
17 October, 2010
(Convened at TCR at Hidden Falls Adventure Park in Marble Falls)
Submitted by Denise Prendergast
Officers Present: Mark Alman, Chairman; Ellie Thoene, Vice-Chairman;
Denise Prendergast, Secretary
Officers Absent: Darla Bishop, Treasurer
TSA Members and Cavers in Attendance: Don Arburn, Jim Kennedy, Linda
Palit, Ann Scott, Ryan Monjaras, Marvin Miller, Michael Cicherski,
Lyndon Tiu, Butch Fralia, Matt Turner, Bill Russell, Lee Jay Grimes,
Christopher Francke, Leslie Bell, Kenny McGee, Ron Ralph, Mike Furrey,
Chris Vreeland, Logan McNatt, Jon Cradit, Roger Moore
Welcome and Introductions/Chairman's Report: (Alman). Alman convened
meeting at 9:20 am. Thanked all for coming. Good TCR.
Vice-Chairman's Report: (Thoene). Thoene discussed upcoming TSA spring
convention April 1 -3 in Bracketville at Fort Clark Springs, the site of
the 1994 convention.
Secretary's Report: (Prendergast).
o Minutes from the Spring Meeting were distributed. It was asked if any
corrections were necessary, and no one said yes. A motion was made and
carried to accept the minutes.
o Between-meeting business. Alman stated that a deposit of $250 for the
TSA spring convention had previously been approved.
Treasurer's Report: (Alman). Bishop absent so Alman passed around copies
of the Treasurer's Report.
o Michael Cicherski will be the next Treasurer as he is running
unopposed. Darla did a great job.
o Through 10/08/2010, the TSA had assets of $7,017.01 ($3,342.56 in
operating account and $3,674.45 in the savings account).
o There are 174 current paid members with 52 receiving on line only
versions of The Texas Caver.
o Spring convention brought in income of $2,179.00 and had expenditures
of $1,464.04, for a profit of $714.96.
o The TSA store has brought in $905.62 so far this year, with no
expenses.
o Publishing The Texas Caver cost $664.65 in May and $735.97 in
September.
o In September, there was a website fee of $107.88.
Standing Committee Reports
TSA Projects-(Kennedy). Kennedy passed around a summary of TSA projects.
It is attached to these minutes. Kennedy stated that Marvin needs help
at Government Canyon. Kennedy stated that Rob Bissett is not here but is
initiating caving projects at Hill Country State Natural Area and
Devil's River. Joe Ranzau is the new park manager at Devil's River so
this might open up some caving opportunities there. The Texascavers
(i.e. Cavetex) email list is the best way to get this type of
information. People should email Butch to put trips on TSA website. Matt
Turner said he will put them on the UT Grotto website if people email
him. Kennedy said Alman is working with Longhorn Caverns; they need help
after flooding. Innerspace Caverns also would like some caver help.
See report below:
TSA Website-(Fralia). Fralia said he is happy to be back after health
problems. The website is up to date. Signed up members can make calendar
entries themselves. Visitation is 2500 per month.
Membership Committee-Alman said we need a chairman, and Ryan Monjaras
stepped up and volunteered. He is the secretary of the Bexar Grotto.
Conservation Committee - (Tiu). Kennedy discussed WNS. The fungus has
been found as far west as Woodward City, OK although no fatalities
there. Cave managers are being careful as human transmission is
suspected. All cavers should be extremely careful about using
decontaminated, clean gear, especially if a person caves in multiple
places.
Safety and Techniques-(David Ochel absent). Kennedy said that the Laguna
de Sanchez project got an NSS grant to buy a sked. People can borrow it.
Will do some demonstrations soon on its proper use. Linda Palit said she
too has a sked at her house available for loan.
Publications-(Alman). Alman said we are in the black with publication of
The Texas Caver. Helps to have on-line only members. Keeping it to 32
pages. Needs articles. Butch has done a great job of putting back issues
on the website. Only members can read the last years' worth, but anyone
can read the older ones. Alman stated that he is trying to get a CD
together with all 58 years of The Texas Caver; however, there are major
gaps between 1955 and 1974. Logan McNatt said he needs to get rid of old
issues. Kennedy suggested putting an ad in the NSS News for a few
months.
TSA Store - (Graves). Graves said we have made about $300 this TCR.
Stickers are the best movers. Arburn discussed producing more yellow
Texas bat stickers. Materials are expensive. He and Lee Jay will look
into this further.
Old Business
TSS/TSA Trailer Committee Report - Kennedy said the new trailer is
stored at Gill's. It has made things much easier.
Putting The Texas Caver Free On Line - Alman said that this has already
been discussed.
New Business
TSA Spring Convention - Thoerne said this has already been discussed.
There are caves in the area. It is a pretty location.
Election Report - Ron Ralph said there have been 29 votes so far. Some
have asked ballots to be mailed to them.
Announcements
Kennedy said he has a list on the Laguna de Sanchez website of common
Spanish caving terms. Send him new ones or corrections.
Set Next Meeting and Adjourn
Alman said he would like to have it at CBSP during the January trip, but
Kennedy said it makes things harder for him. No final decision on when
and where.
Alman made the motion to conclude meeting at approximately 10:30 am
(forgot to note time). Seconded and motion carried.
TSA PROJECTS COMMITTEE
Report to the Texas Speleological Association
Texas Cavers Reunion
Hidden Falls Adventure Park, Marble Falls, Texas
17 October 2010
Jim Kennedy, TSA Projects Committee Chair
1. GOVERNMENT CANYON STATE NATURAL AREA - Marvin Miller
Since the project was restarted in November of 2009 there have been 6
trips. The average attendance for each trip is 9 participants. These
trips have contributed 521 total volunteer hours to Texas Parks and
Wildlife Department, for a Volunteer Value of $6746.95 in 2009 dollars
($12.95/hour). Once Marvin gives me the breakdown by year, I will be
able to assign some of those hours to the higher 2010 rate
($13.14/hour).
The recent Project emphasis has been on digging in sinks and surveying.
Indian Cave and Little Rocks Cave have been surveyed. Survey in Lost
Pothole has been continued. In-cave digs following blowing leads in Lost
Pothole and Dancing Rattler Cave have been started. A breakthrough is
close in both caves. Maps for Ixta's Cave and Goat Cave have been
completed.
The Canyon Ranch tract (~400 acres) was added to the park in 2005. At
the time it was known that a geological assessment survey had located
several caves on this tract. The park recently obtained the consultant's
report relevant to this assessment and we have been working on verifying
cave locations. There are 7 known caves, 4 of which have endangered
species. Miller authored a management plan to allow one visit to each of
the endangered species caves in order to confirm cave description and
location. TPWD and USFWS still need to approve the plan. Eventually we
would like to have access to these caves to completely explore and map
them. We will survey the remaining 3 caves that do not have the
endangered species restrictions. Indian Cave, mentioned earlier, is one
of these.
2. COLORADO BEND STATE PARK - Jim Kennedy
There have been regular monthly trips to CBSP, except during the hot
summer months (June-September). Participation varies, but in general
there are 15-20 participants each month. Last weekend was the first trip
for the 2010-2011 season, and we had 29 participants. Caves continue to
be discovered, sinkholes dug open, features GPSed, and caves mapped.
Mark Gee has been working on reducing our backlog of surveyed caves that
have no maps as yet. The Park continues their prescribed burning
program, which clears areas and allows more caves to be found. Recent
maps of Park caves include a resurvey of Lemons Ranch Cave.
3. KICKAPOO CAVERN SP - Allan Cobb
Project is officially completed. Several TSA members assisted at the
Park's grand opening this spring, when it opened to the public at last.
Jerry Atkinson has been busy drafting up maps from the recent surveys to
compile a "Caves of Kickapoo Cavern SP" publication. He hoped to have
it for the grand opening, but life got in the way. Bat monitoring at
Stuart Bat Cave continues.
4. NEWLY PROPOSED PROJECTS (not yet official)
A. Devils River SNA - Rob Bissett
B. Hill Country SNA - Rob Bissett
B. Longhorn Cavern SP - Mark Alman
C. Inner Space Cavern - Mark Alman
If you have any comments, suggestions, additions to the agenda, or
constructive criticism, please send it my way.
As a special treat, the TSA Officers have agreed that pizza and soft
drinks will be supplied to all who attend.
Happy, happy, joy, joy!
See you there!
Mark
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