texascavers Digest 9 Feb 2011 03:13:23 -0000 Issue 1242
Topics (messages 17084 through 17093):
Re: Custom Duo inserts
17084 by: caverarch
17085 by: Diana Tomchick
17091 by: Diana Tomchick
Re: Sanctum
17086 by: Sandi Calhoun
17087 by: Mallory Mayeux
17088 by: Diana Tomchick
17089 by: htjohn1.juno.com
17090 by: John P Brooks
17092 by: David Ochel
17093 by: Louise Power
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Diana, I see that it will even work for folks old enough to still have a
Halogen version of the Duo in their equipment stashes. I think I'll go for it,
though I have never set up a PayPal account.
How do you think it would compare with a Sten?
Roger Moore
Houston
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From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>; Metroplexcavers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 10:48 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Custom Duo inserts
This may be old news to those who religiously read the NSS Cave Forum ("Cave
Chat"), but there is an interesting new LED module being sold for the Petzl Duo
14- or 8-LED headlamps:
http://customduo.co.uk/customduo.aspx
These modules use Cree XPG LEDs (your choice of the R5 or R4), and you have a
choice of replacing just the side spot (the halogen bulb) or both the side spot
and the original LED module. Lumen ratings range from 110 to 280 depending upon
configuration. Prices range from 28 to 44 English pounds ($45 - 71),
international shipping is free (for now). Payment is via PayPal.
This may be an inexpensive way to upgrade your old Petzl Duo headlamp into
something much brighter (and a lot sturdier and more waterproof) than many of
the Princeton Tec headlamps currently available (such as the notoriously
finicky
Apex).
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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I forgot to add, these are the same LEDs as found in the now popular Fenix HP20
headlamp that retails for around $100 (current Amazon.com price). The Fenix is
a relatively new Chinese-made headlamp that includes an external (not helmet
mounted) battery case only. I have no idea how durable these lights are for
caving (or whether they will last for years), but I will attest to the
durability of the Duo, which was designed specifically for caving. I lubricate
the gaskets with silicone grease and I have never had water inside the battery
case or bulb case, and I have used mine under water on multiple caving trips
for over 5 years now.
Diana
> This may be old news to those who religiously read the NSS Cave Forum ("Cave
> Chat"), but there is an interesting new LED module being sold for the Petzl
> Duo 14- or 8-LED headlamps:
>
> http://customduo.co.uk/customduo.aspx
>
> These modules use Cree XPG LEDs (your choice of the R5 or R4), and you have a
> choice of replacing just the side spot (the halogen bulb) or both the side
> spot and the original LED module. Lumen ratings range from 110 to 280
> depending upon configuration. Prices range from 28 to 44 English pounds ($45
> - 71), international shipping is free (for now). Payment is via PayPal.
>
> This may be an inexpensive way to upgrade your old Petzl Duo headlamp into
> something much brighter (and a lot sturdier and more waterproof) than many of
> the Princeton Tec headlamps currently available (such as the notoriously
> finicky Apex).
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: [email protected]
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
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If you believe the StenLight fact sheet at
http://www.stenlight.com/fact-sheet.htm
then the CustomDuo inserts compare favorably to the StenLight S7, which
estimates 140 lumens on the highest setting, and lasts for 2 hours with the
fully charged StenLight (LG723) 2.3 AH 7.4V lithium ion battery. According to
the CustomDuo web site, the CustomDUO modules are regulated to run at 350 mA
and output 140 lumens for the XPG R5 LED. The web site claims that 4 AA
batteries will power the light for about 6 hours on the high setting (350 mA).
They suggest you use Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable AA batteries (2000 mAH per
cell) rather than alkalines.
It seems that the reason these Duo inserts are now available is that the Cree
XPG LEDs are more efficient (thus generate less heat) than older LEDs. The Duo
headlamp wasn't originally designed with a big heatsink in the lamp. The higher
efficiency also means that it's reasonable to use the stock Duo battery packs
and rechargeable NiMH batteries.
Since I typically use a four "C"-cell belt pack (with 5000 mAh per rechargeable
NiMH cell) for my Duo, in theory I could run one of these modules for about ten
times that amount of time (around 60 hours) on the high (350 mA) setting.
Still not as many lumens as my Scurion, but a worthy upgrade to my second light
nonetheless,
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:16 AM, caverarch wrote:
> Diana, I see that it will even work for folks old enough to still have a
> Halogen version of the Duo in their equipment stashes. I think I'll go for
> it, though I have never set up a PayPal account.
>
> How do you think it would compare with a Sten?
>
> Roger Moore
> Houston
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
> To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>; Metroplexcavers
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 10:48 am
> Subject: [Texascavers] Custom Duo inserts
>
> This may be old news to those who religiously read the NSS Cave Forum ("Cave
> Chat"), but there is an interesting new LED module being sold for the Petzl
> Duo
> 14- or 8-LED headlamps:
>
>
> http://customduo.co.uk/customduo.aspx
>
>
> These modules use Cree XPG LEDs (your choice of the R5 or R4), and you have a
> choice of replacing just the side spot (the halogen bulb) or both the side
> spot
> and the original LED module. Lumen ratings range from 110 to 280 depending
> upon
> configuration. Prices range from 28 to 44 English pounds ($45 - 71),
> international shipping is free (for now). Payment is via PayPal.
>
> This may be an inexpensive way to upgrade your old Petzl Duo headlamp into
> something much brighter (and a lot sturdier and more waterproof) than many of
> the Princeton Tec headlamps currently available (such as the notoriously
> finicky
> Apex).
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email:
> [email protected]
>
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
>
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>
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So was the exterior cave shot actually Golondrinas? I thought it was while
watching the movie, but then second guessed it later. Like David, I also
enjoyed the movie, despite the incredibly over-dramatized view of cave
divers as reckless and willing to make mercy kills. It's just entertainment
folks.
Gatita
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Karen Perry <[email protected]> wrote:
> The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a
> cave. Nullabor wasn't a diving trip & was 13 people & no one died or was
> seriously injured.
> Karen
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: David Ochel <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
>
>
> So, Bill,
>
> Is there anything on:
>
> > Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave
> > diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for
> > two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another
> > way out.
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia
>
> in your library?
>
> Here is what Google found:
>
>
> http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog
>
>
> http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/
>
> By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably entertained by the
> movie... ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
> On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> > They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event
> > on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is
> > said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but
> > with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for
> > length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course
> > some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico.
> > Poetic license. -- Mixon
> > ----------------------------------------
> > A fearless man cannot be brave.
> > ----------------------------------------
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Agreed! I posted a long defense of Sanctum on the GHG listserv, but I can
sum it up by saying that once you get past the intial reckless premise of
the movie, it's entertaining. I even cried a little at the end. I watched it
with half a dozen non-cavers (mostly family) and while they were cringing
and gasping throughout the movie, nearly all of them enjoyed it on some
level. Minus, of course, my 16 year old cousin who sat out in the car crying
afterwards--apparently she has a severe issue with claustrophobia and caves
totally freak her out.
The bottom line is, Hollywood is never going to make a happy "let's go
exploring"-type cave movie. Caves are considered scary places for 95% of the
population--we're just the lucky few who get to appreciate them. In caving
movies, people are going to die, monsters may make an appearance, things
will go horribly wrong...that's the nature of caving movies. I'd watch this
one again, and buy the DVD, too.
Final note--they had some decent gear! The main character wore a red ecrin
roc helmet--too cool! there's something really fun about seeing your helmet
on the big screen. :)
-Mal
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Sandi Calhoun <[email protected]>wrote:
> So was the exterior cave shot actually Golondrinas? I thought it was while
> watching the movie, but then second guessed it later. Like David, I also
> enjoyed the movie, despite the incredibly over-dramatized view of cave
> divers as reckless and willing to make mercy kills. It's just entertainment
> folks.
>
> Gatita
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Karen Perry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a
>> cave. Nullabor wasn't a diving trip & was 13 people & no one died or was
>> seriously injured.
>> Karen
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel <[email protected]>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: David Ochel <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
>>
>>
>> So, Bill,
>>
>> Is there anything on:
>>
>> > Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave
>> > diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for
>> > two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another
>> > way out.
>> >
>> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia
>>
>> in your library?
>>
>> Here is what Google found:
>>
>>
>> http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog
>>
>>
>> http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/
>>
>> By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably entertained by the
>> movie... ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
>> > They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event
>> > on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is
>> > said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but
>> > with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for
>> > length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course
>> > some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico.
>> > Poetic license. -- Mixon
>> > ----------------------------------------
>> > A fearless man cannot be brave.
>> > ----------------------------------------
>> > You may "reply" to the address this message
>> > came from, but for long-term use, save:
>> > Personal:
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Just because Hollywood will never make a good quality cave movie doesn't mean
that there won't be one out in the cinemas soon, and in 3-D to boot. Werner
Herzog's "Caves of the Forgotten Dreams" was filmed in and around Chauvet Cave
in France in 3-D, and included real cavers and archaeologists. You can watch
the trailer here:
http://www.wernerherzog.com/index.php?id=64
Notice that the cavers are wearing Petzl Duo headlamps in this movie trailer
(though I think I spotted one Scurion), the same headlamp used in Sanctum. I
noticed that the cavers in Sanctum always chose to run their single bulb
spotlight light (the halogen bulb) all the time, which sucks battery power
rapidly, rather than their 14-LED module, which uses less battery power when
run on medium or low setting. The cavers in the trailer for Herzog's movie know
better.
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
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On Feb 8, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
> Agreed! I posted a long defense of Sanctum on the GHG listserv, but I can sum
> it up by saying that once you get past the intial reckless premise of the
> movie, it's entertaining. I even cried a little at the end. I watched it with
> half a dozen non-cavers (mostly family) and while they were cringing and
> gasping throughout the movie, nearly all of them enjoyed it on some level.
> Minus, of course, my 16 year old cousin who sat out in the car crying
> afterwards--apparently she has a severe issue with claustrophobia and caves
> totally freak her out.
>
> The bottom line is, Hollywood is never going to make a happy "let's go
> exploring"-type cave movie. Caves are considered scary places for 95% of the
> population--we're just the lucky few who get to appreciate them. In caving
> movies, people are going to die, monsters may make an appearance, things will
> go horribly wrong...that's the nature of caving movies. I'd watch this one
> again, and buy the DVD, too.
>
> Final note--they had some decent gear! The main character wore a red ecrin
> roc helmet--too cool! there's something really fun about seeing your helmet
> on the big screen. :)
>
> -Mal
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Sandi Calhoun <[email protected]> wrote:
> So was the exterior cave shot actually Golondrinas? I thought it was while
> watching the movie, but then second guessed it later. Like David, I also
> enjoyed the movie, despite the incredibly over-dramatized view of cave divers
> as reckless and willing to make mercy kills. It's just entertainment folks.
>
> Gatita
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Karen Perry <[email protected]> wrote:
> The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a cave.
> Nullabor wasn't a diving trip & was 13 people & no one died or was seriously
> injured.
> Karen
>
> --- On Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: David Ochel <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
>
>
> So, Bill,
>
> Is there anything on:
>
> > Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave
> > diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for
> > two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another
> > way out.
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia
>
> in your library?
>
> Here is what Google found:
>
> http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog
>
> http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/
>
> By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably entertained by the
> movie... ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
> On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> > They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event
> > on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is
> > said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but
> > with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for
> > length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course
> > some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico.
> > Poetic license. -- Mixon
> > ----------------------------------------
> > A fearless man cannot be brave.
> > ----------------------------------------
> > You may "reply" to the address this message
> > came from, but for long-term use, save:
> > Personal: [email protected]
> > AMCS: [email protected] or [email protected]
> >
> >
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Saw it and, while I agree with the prior complaints about technical and acting
issues, actually liked it -- creature free, no women in lycra, no actors
playing cavers were eaten in the making of the movie, reviewers hated it, and a
few scenes reminded me vaguely of actual events which have happened (ask my
daughter about cutting her hair out of the rack while on rope in Sawmill Well)
-- as a caving movie.
John Moses
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"Not a dive trip"? Huh? Nullabor was very much a cave diving trip/expedition.
They used large underwater sleds (aka big diver propulsion vehicles) to haul
massive amounts of tanks over long distances...and used dive "scooters".....and
besides the epic flood and the "incident"; the cave and exploration were
notable because of the length of underwater penetration by the divers. Someone,
please correct me if I am wrong, but at the time the length of underwater
traverse at Nullabor was considered a significant undertaking. And it would
have been a note worthy expedition...even if the cave had not flooded in such
spectacular fashion.
I looked at the sketch map on the National Geo site for Nullabor...and I
thought there was much cave mapped than what the sketch map indicates...has
anyone seen another map of Nullabor?
Also...As Sanctum supposedly takes place in Papua New Guinea...I was curious
about PNG...and have been reading "Beneath the Cloud Forests" by Howard M.
Beck. it is a history of cave exploration in PNG. Its a very interesting
account of the early explorations and expeditions. My only complaint thus
far...is I wish the book had a better overall map of the Caving Areas. I had to
resort to referring to another map to keep track of where everyone was going to
find caves.
As for the film....well...I chalked it up to Hollywood and entertainment. I am
not a big fan of the "mercy killings" either....nor was I fond of the plot
twist that sent the cavers further into the cave to escape the flooding. And I
thought having an in-cave camp a foot or two above the sump pool was a bit
ridiculous. But then so was the use of a fancy computer at the in cave
camp...and having the cave wired with lighting. And did anyone else notice that
they had 3 in cave camps...but it only seemed to take them a few hours to get
to the dive camp? But those are nit-picky criticisms of details. So...we all
know that one can not rely on Hollywood for a sense of realism or accurate
detail in a caving movie. But then Hollywood films have never been about
realism. One can see that in other new films such as True Grit...time, space,
detail, and geography are all distorted in the storytelling within a film...and
this distortion is deliberate and intentional to
hold the attention of the audience....it is a part of the genre of film.
I might add that I thought the character development was a miss also...they
hinted at the motivations of cavers to explore...but only on the shallow
superficial level of a cliche...for all of the fancy stunts and special
effects; they failed to capture the human experience of exploration...or for
lack of a better term the "act" of caving. What drives people to explore caves?
Sanctum could have asked that question...instead of bogging itself down in
showy stunts and mercy killings.
I am not embarrassed in the least bit for James Cameron...but it is unfortunate
that "Sanctum" is such a spectacular missed opportunity to create a more
"authentic" film about the nature of exploration and the underground world.
My 5 cents...
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Karen Perry <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Karen Perry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
To: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:37 AM
The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a cave.
Nullabor wasn't a diving trip & was 13 people & no one died or was seriously
injured.
Karen
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel <[email protected]> wrote:
From: David Ochel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
To: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
So, Bill,
Is there anything on:
> Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave
> diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for
> two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another
> way out.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia
in your library?
Here is what Google found:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog
http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/
By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably
entertained by the
movie... ;-)
Cheers,
David
On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event
> on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is
> said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but
> with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for
> length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course
> some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico.
> Poetic license. -- Mixon
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Hi,
On 2/8/11 2:35 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
> Final note--they had some decent gear! The main character wore a red
> ecrin roc helmet--too cool! there's something really fun about seeing
> your helmet on the big screen. :)
Sponsored by Petzl, indeed. :-D
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Hi Mallory,
I haven't seen it yet (I had food poisoning last weekend), but I told Bill
Steele that cavers are obviously not the target audience. That doesn't make it
a bad move per se. However, I have read several non-caver reviews and they
didn't like it either, but they had other complaints. However, I have to
disagree with your "Hollywood is never going to make a happy 'let's go
exploring'-type cave movie" observation.
Last nite while I was working on my bills and e-mail, "The Bachelor" came on
and he took one of the girls caving (sort of). He took her to a cave behind a
waterfall (really sort of a nice place) where he set out a little romantic
meal. But they had on their grungies and used helmets, so I guess it's a caving
trip for two. True, it's not Hollywood exactly, but close. Oh, by the way, let
me make this clear, I do not watch The Bachelor. I was just too lazy to get up
and go into the next room to change the channel.
Louise
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:35:01 -0600
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
Agreed! I posted a long defense of Sanctum on the GHG listserv, but I can sum
it up by saying that once you get past the intial reckless premise of the
movie, it's entertaining. I even cried a little at the end. I watched it with
half a dozen non-cavers (mostly family) and while they were cringing and
gasping throughout the movie, nearly all of them enjoyed it on some level.
Minus, of course, my 16 year old cousin who sat out in the car crying
afterwards--apparently she has a severe issue with claustrophobia and caves
totally freak her out.
The bottom line is, Hollywood is never going to make a happy "let's go
exploring"-type cave movie. Caves are considered scary places for 95% of the
population--we're just the lucky few who get to appreciate them. In caving
movies, people are going to die, monsters may make an appearance, things will
go horribly wrong...that's the nature of caving movies. I'd watch this one
again, and buy the DVD, too.
Final note--they had some decent gear! The main character wore a red ecrin roc
helmet--too cool! there's something really fun about seeing your helmet on the
big screen. :)
-Mal
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Sandi Calhoun <[email protected]> wrote:
So was the exterior cave shot actually Golondrinas? I thought it was while
watching the movie, but then second guessed it later. Like David, I also
enjoyed the movie, despite the incredibly over-dramatized view of cave divers
as reckless and willing to make mercy kills. It's just entertainment folks.
Gatita
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Karen Perry <[email protected]> wrote:
The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a cave.
Nullabor wasn't a diving trip & was 13 people & no one died or was seriously
injured.
Karen
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel <[email protected]> wrote:
From: David Ochel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
To: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
So, Bill,
Is there anything on:
> Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave
> diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for
> two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another
> way out.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia
in your library?
Here is what Google found:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog
http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/
By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably entertained by the
movie... ;-)
Cheers,
David
On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event
> on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is
> said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but
> with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for
> length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course
> some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico.
> Poetic license. -- Mixon
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