texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2011 21:53:51 -0000 Issue 1251

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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2011 21:53:51 -0000 Issue 1251

Topics (messages 17206 through 17216):

Cueva de los Tayos
        17206 by: BMorgan994.aol.com

Re: U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside Monterrey today
        17207 by: Gill Edigar
        17208 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
        17210 by: George Crosby

Re: Met Buzz Aldrin at the same event
        17209 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

The Dallas�Fort Worth Earthquake Sequence: through May 2009
        17211 by: Timothy Tidwell

Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)
        17212 by: Mike Walsh
        17213 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
        17215 by: caverarch
        17216 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Rope Sale
        17214 by: Mark Minton

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"I understand that 'moontalk1 was prevalent?"
 
Ecuadorean army? Air Force? Helicopters? Celebrities? That was  long  
before the mines were planted. What a bunch of pussies!
 
I went a good way up into the Cordillera del Condor with my caver  
girlfriend Ann Harman. Never got to the Cueva de los Tayos but did meet an  
interesting Indian who somehow managed to explain that the poison in poison  
darts 
comes from ants not frogs, most interesting considering that the frogs get  
their poison from ants.
 
Shortly thereafter I acquired the services of Juan Uyunkar, a half Shuar  
shaman worthy of a grade B movie. He wore green and pink checked golf pants  
and carried a terribly out of tune violin. His backpack was filled with  
hallucinogens and an enema bag with which to administer them. Probably the  
smartest guy I have ever met anywhere, virtually telepathic. Saved my life  
several times. Caused angry soldiers with guns to beg his forgiveness, kept a  
drunken Shuar (nee Jivaro, the headshrinkers) from chopping me up, etc. We 
went  up the Rio Mangosiza for the ostensible purpose of giving aid to a man 
with a  brain tumor being kept in a cage in the jungle. It turned out to be 
true. We  found him. As I watched Juan and Ann doing weird healing 
ceremonies over the  poor deranged fellow I realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore.
 
Juan told me all about the Cueva de los Tayos which is sacred to the  
Shuar. While discussing how particle physics relates to Taoist philosophy he  
mentioned the time he was in the Cueva de los Tayos taking huge amounts of  
hallucinogens and decided to visit the people who live inside the sun. All that 
 heat stuff is on the outside, inside it is very nice. The people are too, 
very  enlightened. This from a half Jivaro mongrel who lived in the jungle 
and somehow  heard about the pyramids in Egypt so he visited them when he was 
only  17. He never mentioned the metal plates.
 
Sleazeweazel

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Here ya go:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUT6mTq5ekM

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> That was a politically incorrect song sung by Peggy Lee some years ago. It 
> was quite popular then but doubt it would be played today. Too derogatory.

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--- Begin Message --- Chili today. Hot tamale.


Feb 16, 2011 11:32:53 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUT6mTq5ekM

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> That was a politically incorrect song sung by Peggy Lee some years ago. It was quite popular then but doubt it would be played today. Too derogatory.

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"There's no good revolution
Just power changing hands
There is no straight solution
Except to understand"

 

~Badfinger

 

 

 

 

From: John P Brooks [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:10 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside
Monterrey today

 


to quote a famous song by Gil Scott Herron: "the revolution will not be
televised...."....apparently he was wrong in this instance. He also had a
great song entitled "Whitie on the moon"...which is appropriate music for
another topic of discussion today....

--- On Wed, 2/16/11, Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
wrote:


From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside
Monterrey today
To: "Cave Tex" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 1:27 PM


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506
693.html?hpid=artslot

When does the revolution begin?

Diana

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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
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The future of medicine, today.

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--- Begin Message --- A Buzz blurb.


Feb 16, 2011 01:47:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Geary Schindel e-mailed and told me his story of meeting a lunar astronaut, Harrison Schmidt, the only geologist who went to the moon.
Geary encouraged me to post about meeting Buzz Aldrin later the same night I met Neil Armstrong.
 
About an hour after talking to Neil about the caving expedition to Equador he'd gone on, I noticed Buzz Aldrin walking toward the open bar, so I got in line behind him. I introduced myself and told him that I'd seen the news account that had recently been on TV of the man ambushing him outside of a building and screaming in his face that the moon landing had been faked. Buzz punched him out. I told him that the guy had it coming, to which he said, "Yeah, well, I wish I hadn't done it, Goddammit. It cost me a small fortune in lawyer's fees. But it sure felt good at the time!" 
 
Buzz also has a caving connection, He read Barbara amEnde, Monte Paulsen, and Bill Stone's book BEYOND THE DEEP and is quoted on its dusk jacket.

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Interesting and semi-caving-related:

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/be-prepared-earthquakes-big-and-small

http://www.bssaonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/101/1/327

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Basic Caving Workshop
Texas Cave Conservancy- Winter Conference 
February 26, 2011
9:00am

So you want to be a caver? 
You want to know the difference between Vadose and Hypogene and what clues
can help find more passage in a Phreatic Cave System? 

You Want to Go Caving?

This Day-Long Workshop is designed to be a fun and engaging time for the
"beginning" cave explorer (less than 3 years-ish) who who wants to be a long
term "caver". We will be visiting three great caves and have a captivating
classroom session. Those three caves are going to keep you underground for
the better part of the day, so your going to need to bring your clean caving
gear and some cave snacks. The workshop is free, however some cash will be
handy when we stop for lunch between caves. If you have any cave toys -
cameras, survey gear, etc. bring those too. The workshop will be conducted
by Justin Shaw who has been exploring and introducing people to caves for
over 15 years. 


A variety of subjects will be covered, in varying amounts of detail,
including; 

Cave Appreciation
Types of Caves and How They Form
Texas' Known Caves and POTENTIAL for caves - or "Where to Find Caves in
Texas"
Landowner Relations
How To Find Caves
Digging
Virgin Exploration Techniques
Survey and Mapping
Photo Documentation
Personal Data Management & the Texas Speleological Survey
Speleomorphology for Cavers - or "How to Read a Cave to Find More Cave"
Bio-Speology or "Cave Bugs"
WNS Decontaminatin Procedures 
Conservation & Restoration
Team Organization
Trip Leader Duty's
First Aid Kits
Caving Organizations - or "the other TCC - the Total Caver Collective"
Your Responsibility's as a Caver. 




Rough Schedule (Three or four caves)

9:00 - 11:00 Classroom Session (synopses of everything)
11:15 - 12:15 -  Cave in Cedar Park (focus on speleomorphology, digging,
biology, paleontology)
12:15 - 1:15 - Lunch (focus on food)
1:15 - 2:30 - Cave in Round Rock (focus on survey, conservation, biology)
3:00 - Out of Steam -  Cave in Round Rock (focus to be determined by group)

 

 

The Basic Caver Workshop starts at 9:00 A.M. Saturday, February 26

at the Texas Cave Conservancy Headquarters located at:



 

1800 West Park

Cedar Park, Texas 78613

 

512-249-2283

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That sounds like a GREAT workshop, Mike, and thanks to Justin for
conducting it!

 

 

Take a lot of pictures and send me a report for the next TEXAS CAVER.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Mike Walsh [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)

 

Basic Caving Workshop
Texas Cave Conservancy- Winter Conference 
February 26, 2011
9:00am

So you want to be a caver? 
You want to know the difference between Vadose and Hypogene and what
clues can help find more passage in a Phreatic Cave System? 

You Want to Go Caving?

This Day-Long Workshop is designed to be a fun and engaging time for the
"beginning" cave explorer (less than 3 years-ish) who who wants to be a
long term "caver". We will be visiting three great caves and have a
captivating classroom session. Those three caves are going to keep you
underground for the better part of the day, so your going to need to
bring your clean caving gear and some cave snacks. The workshop is free,
however some cash will be handy when we stop for lunch between caves. If
you have any cave toys - cameras, survey gear, etc. bring those too. The
workshop will be conducted by Justin Shaw who has been exploring and
introducing people to caves for over 15 years. 


A variety of subjects will be covered, in varying amounts of detail,
including; 

Cave Appreciation
Types of Caves and How They Form
Texas' Known Caves and POTENTIAL for caves - or "Where to Find Caves in
Texas"
Landowner Relations
How To Find Caves
Digging
Virgin Exploration Techniques
Survey and Mapping
Photo Documentation
Personal Data Management & the Texas Speleological Survey
Speleomorphology for Cavers - or "How to Read a Cave to Find More Cave"
Bio-Speology or "Cave Bugs"
WNS Decontaminatin Procedures 
Conservation & Restoration
Team Organization
Trip Leader Duty's
First Aid Kits
Caving Organizations - or "the other TCC - the Total Caver Collective"
Your Responsibility's as a Caver. 




Rough Schedule (Three or four caves)

9:00 - 11:00 Classroom Session (synopses of everything)
11:15 - 12:15 -  Cave in Cedar Park (focus on speleomorphology, digging,
biology, paleontology)
12:15 - 1:15 - Lunch (focus on food)
1:15 - 2:30 - Cave in Round Rock (focus on survey, conservation,
biology)
3:00 - Out of Steam -  Cave in Round Rock (focus to be determined by
group)

 

 

The Basic Caver Workshop starts at 9:00 A.M. Saturday, February 26

at the Texas Cave Conservancy Headquarters located at:

 

1800 West Park

Cedar Park, Texas 78613

 

512-249-2283

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I think a lot of experienced cavers could benefit from this as a 'refresher'  
It also covers some gaps in my background, so I plan to attend.


Roger Moore





-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
To: Mike Walsh <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:48 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)



That sounds like a GREAT workshop, Mike, and thanks to Justinfor conducting it!
 
 
Take a lot of pictures and send me a report for the next TEXASCAVER.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Mark
 
 
 

From: Mike Walsh[mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)

 
Basic Caving Workshop
Texas Cave Conservancy- Winter Conference 
February 26, 2011
9:00am

So you want to be a caver? 
You want to know the difference between Vadose and Hypogene and what clues 
canhelp find more passage in a Phreatic Cave System? 

You Want to Go Caving?

This Day-Long Workshop is designed to be a fun and engaging time for 
the"beginning" cave explorer (less than 3 years-ish) who who wants to bea long 
term "caver". We will be visiting three great caves and have acaptivating 
classroom session. Those three caves are going to keep you undergroundfor the 
better part of the day, so your going to need to bring your cleancaving gear 
and some cave snacks. The workshop is free, however some cash willbe handy when 
we stop for lunch between caves. If you have any cave toys -cameras, survey 
gear, etc. bring those too. The workshop will be conducted byJustin Shaw who 
has been exploring and introducing people to caves for over 15years. 


A variety of subjects will be covered, in varying amounts of detail, including;

Cave Appreciation
Types of Caves and How They Form
Texas' Known Caves and POTENTIAL for caves - or "Where to Find Caves inTexas"
Landowner Relations
How To Find Caves
Digging
Virgin Exploration Techniques
Survey and Mapping
Photo Documentation
Personal Data Management & the Texas Speleological Survey
Speleomorphology for Cavers - or "How to Read a Cave to Find MoreCave"
Bio-Speology or "Cave Bugs"
WNS Decontaminatin Procedures 
Conservation & Restoration
Team Organization
Trip Leader Duty's
First Aid Kits
Caving Organizations - or "the other TCC - the TotalCaver Collective"
Your Responsibility's as a Caver. 




Rough Schedule (Three or four caves)

9:00 - 11:00 Classroom Session (synopses of everything)
11:15 - 12:15 -  Cave in Cedar Park (focus on speleomorphology, 
digging,biology, paleontology)
12:15 - 1:15 - Lunch (focus on food)
1:15 - 2:30 – Cave in Round Rock (focus on survey, conservation, biology)
3:00 - Out of Steam -  Cave in Round Rock (focus to be determined bygroup)
 
 
The Basic Caver Workshop starts at 9:00 A.M. Saturday,February 26
at the Texas Cave ConservancyHeadquarters located at:
 
1800 West Park
Cedar Park, Texas 78613
 
512-249-2283

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Agreed, Roger.

 

If I wasn’t riding horses with the Boy Scouts that weekend and doing my best 
John Wayne impression, I’d be there as well.

 

Justin may run out of room, hopefully!

 

 

Mark

 

 

From: caverarch [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)

 

I think a lot of experienced cavers could benefit from this as a 'refresher'  
It also covers some gaps in my background, so I plan to attend. 

 

Roger Moore

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
To: Mike Walsh <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:48 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)

That sounds like a GREAT workshop, Mike, and thanks to Justin for conducting it!

 

 

Take a lot of pictures and send me a report for the next TEXAS CAVER.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Mike Walsh [mailto:[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]?> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:52 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: [Texascavers] Basic Caver Workshop (no charge)

 

Basic Caving Workshop
Texas Cave Conservancy- Winter Conference 
February 26, 2011
9:00am

So you want to be a caver? 
You want to know the difference between Vadose and Hypogene and what clues can 
help find more passage in a Phreatic Cave System? 

You Want to Go Caving?

This Day-Long Workshop is designed to be a fun and engaging time for the 
"beginning" cave explorer (less than 3 years-ish) who who wants to be a long 
term "caver". We will be visiting three great caves and have a captivating 
classroom session. Those three caves are going to keep you underground for the 
better part of the day, so your going to need to bring your clean caving gear 
and some cave snacks. The workshop is free, however some cash will be handy 
when we stop for lunch between caves. If you have any cave toys - cameras, 
survey gear, etc. bring those too. The workshop will be conducted by Justin 
Shaw who has been exploring and introducing people to caves for over 15 years. 


A variety of subjects will be covered, in varying amounts of detail, including; 

Cave Appreciation
Types of Caves and How They Form
Texas' Known Caves and POTENTIAL for caves - or "Where to Find Caves in Texas"
Landowner Relations
How To Find Caves
Digging
Virgin Exploration Techniques
Survey and Mapping
Photo Documentation
Personal Data Management & the Texas Speleological Survey
Speleomorphology for Cavers - or "How to Read a Cave to Find More Cave"
Bio-Speology or "Cave Bugs"
WNS Decontaminatin Procedures 
Conservation & Restoration
Team Organization
Trip Leader Duty's
First Aid Kits
Caving Organizations - or "the other TCC - the Total Caver Collective"
Your Responsibility's as a Caver. 




Rough Schedule (Three or four caves)

9:00 - 11:00 Classroom Session (synopses of everything)
11:15 - 12:15 -  Cave in Cedar Park (focus on speleomorphology, digging, 
biology, paleontology)
12:15 - 1:15 - Lunch (focus on food)
1:15 - 2:30 – Cave in Round Rock (focus on survey, conservation, biology)
3:00 - Out of Steam -  Cave in Round Rock (focus to be determined by group)

 

 

The Basic Caver Workshop starts at 9:00 A.M. Saturday, February 26

at the Texas Cave Conservancy Headquarters located at:

 

1800 West Park

Cedar Park, Texas 78613

 

512-249-2283

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Mark Minton

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