texascavers Digest 3 Aug 2010 03:55:37 -0000 Issue 1124
Topics (messages 15672 through 15679):
Re: Locklear sighting
15672 by: Barb Coons (Capocy)
Sandi's BDP
15673 by: Gill Edigar
Re: TCR sites
15674 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
15677 by: Gill Edigar
Personal Road-trip Report 7 of 20
15675 by: David
Re: TPWD Executive Order re: WNS and cave access
15676 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Re: WNS and cave access
15678 by: Scott Boyd
Re: Location of Texas caving functions
15679 by: Q Wilkinson
Administrivia:
To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
To post to the list, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- Begin Message ---
Aw man, there was a pool? How did I miss that?
At the Howdy party he was seen have a lively discussion with Don (Coons) about
what clothing would be appropriate for a cave expedition to Mars. Oh my.
Barb
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Kennedy" <[email protected]>
To: "CaveTex" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Locklear sighting
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:06:36 -0400
It lives! Locklear actually made it to the NSS Convention in time for
the Howdy Party. Who had Monday at 5:30 in the arrival pool?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c575fd5253ae50a44dst03vuc
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I need to remind everyone that we'll be celebrating Sandi's birthday
with a party at my house--Mockingburd 300--in Deep South Auxtin this
coming Friday 6 August. Potluck, hot girls...uh...I mean " hot
grills". We won't start without you.
--Ediger
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I think of it as more of a filter, Fritz.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
To: "'Bill Bentley'" <[email protected]>, "Texascavers Mailing List"
<[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:38 PM
Nothing against the western reaches except
the time and expense to get there for us unfortunates in Houston,
Dallas and points east.
Fritz
From:
Bill Bentley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:36
PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR
sites
What have you all got against the West? What is this not too
far West requirement? Texas is a big state
from El Paso to
Texarkana ...
:)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan
Creaser
To: [email protected]
; [email protected] ; Sheryl Rieck
Sent: Monday, August 02,
2010 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers]
TCR sites
That’s as maybe, but
it seems to violate the “not too far west” requirement…
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
BB--
Don't I recall that yall excommunicated yourselves from Texas anyway?
--Ediger
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp <
[email protected]> wrote:
> I think of it as more of a filter, Fritz.
>
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> [email protected]
>
> --- On *Mon, 8/2/10, Fritz Holt <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
>
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
> To: "'Bill Bentley'" <[email protected]>, "Texascavers Mailing List" <
> [email protected]>
> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:38 PM
>
>
> Nothing against the western reaches except the time and expense to get
> there for us unfortunates in Houston, Dallas and points east.
>
>
>
> Fritz
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Bill Bentley [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 02, 2010 6:36 PM
> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
>
>
>
> What have you all got against the West? What is this not too far West
> requirement? Texas is a big state from El Paso to Texarkana ...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Stefan Creaser <http://mc/[email protected]>
>
> *To:* [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> ;
> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>;
> Sheryl
> Rieck <http://mc/[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 02, 2010 2:39 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
>
>
>
> That’s as maybe, but it seems to violate the “not too far west”
> requirement…
>
>
>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
After I left the cafe in the town of Bristol, I explored the area around the
town. This too was by accident, as I couldn't make up my mind which
road would be more scenic going north.
About 2 miles out of town, I found one of the best swimming holes I ever
layed eyes on.
Lots of young kids were jumping off of a large boulder about 8 feet above
the rapids. It looked deep enough to jump. So it thought I would warm
up there before heading to the area where the more experience jumpers were
taking a leap.
Unfortunately, I failed to stretch first before jumping, and ended up pulling
my calf muscle to the point I could no longer enjoy the walking around on
the rocky areas.
I spent most of the rest of the afternoon there "thinking" about the
meaning of life and enjoying this wonderful place.
There is a large waterfall that a guy was floating off of in an inner
tube. That looked dangerous, but lots of fun. Behind the
waterfall was a large rock
shelter. It was hot and the sun was shining, and the water was
only a few degrees
colder than the Guadalupe, so it felt refreshing to swim here.
There is one jumping point called Eagle's Nest. It is about 50 feet high
and you have to clear about 15 feet of exposed boulders if not more.
And the water
at the landing is only about 5 to 6 foot deep. Nobody was jumping there,
but I was told people get seriously hurt at this place often, and they have
a death every couple of years.
After leaving there, I seriously considered heading south back towards
Texas and skipping the convention. Eventually I came to my senses,
I headed north, and drove thru the rain for nearly an hour to arrive
at the Howdy Party.
Since I wasn't registered and registration was closed, this created
a headache for at least 3 of the convention staff, but they jumped
thru hurdles to accomodate me. I do sincerely apologize to them
for creating this hassle, when they obviously already had a full plate
of things to deal with.
We had a nice dinner. I thought the strawberries were good, and the
ice cream was excellent. The music band was entertaining, although
I know very little about blue-grass music.
It appeared they had a decent turn out for the Howdy Party. I could only
guess about 550 people +/- 50.
About 15 or more cavers from Texas lined up for a group photo. There were
more that wouldn't get in the photo or had already left. For me,
that is most likely the highlight of the convention.
I have to face reality and start heading south back to Texas. I
hate to miss the fun
stuff going on like the Terminal Siphons concert, especially since
Albert Ogden will be
performing.
The only other things I got to see was a brief look at some of the cartographic
entries, and the antique print exhibit of some photos from the 1930's.
I would like to thank all the cavers who know me for such a warm welcome.
That made the long drive worth it.
Now I have to put my "thinking cap" back on, and figure out how I am going
to get home. I have no idea whether I will go thru central Vermont, or
across Lake Champlain into New York. Vermont is the most likely choice,
as I will most likely never have a chance to come back to the beautiful
Green Mountain State.
I hope to stop off at a commercial cave in Virginia on the way home.
One thing I learned is that the aroma in the air of cow dung is known as
"Vermont perfume."
To be continued...
David Locklear
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
This is not a ban on caving, but an authorization that will allow TPWD to close
caves if deemed necessary. This will, hopefully, slow response time and
minimize confusion and violations should closures be invoked on TPWD
properties. Once again, this is not a ban on cavers caving (where it is not
already prohibited), just a notice that there may be public cave closures and
requirements that folks have a reason (survey, biology, etc) to visit bat caves
on TPWD properties.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Diana Tomchick <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] TPWD Executive Order re: WNS and cave access
To: "Cave Tex" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6:37 PM
I find it truly fascinating and a telling comment on the people who post on
this listserve that there have been 20+ postings complaining about the location
of TCR (which is, after all, just a party, and precious little if any caving
ever happens at TCR), while not one person has commented on this posting and
the implications of WNS on caving in Texas and the surrounding states.
Diana, truly tired of having to hit the delete button this afternoon.
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Butch Fralia" <[email protected]>Date: August 2, 2010 4:20:53
PM CDTTo: <[email protected]>Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD Executive
Order re: WNS and cave access
This is being forwarded to the list from Logan McNatt who cannot post from his
work e-mail address…. Butch This is a general policy statement that applies
only to caves on TPWD properties, e.g. state parks and wildlife management
areas. Decisions are being made on a case by case basis. So far, Gorman Cave at
Colorodo Bend SP is the only cave normally open to visitors that has been
closed. The policy was developed after much thought and consultation with other
agencies, including Bat Conservation International. Logan
TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ORDER
NO. 010-005 The Executive Director of the Texas Parks and Wildlife
Department orders the restrictions to public access to certain department lands
and facilities as provided herein. Due to the detection of White Nose Syndrome
(WNS) in bat populations in nearby states, the Executive
Director has determined that it is necessary to authorize staff of the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department (the department) to restrict public access, where
necessary, to caves or other natural features on state parks, wildlife
management areas, and any other lands under the management of the department,
in order to prevent the possible spread of WNS as a result of human contact.
WNS is a fungal pathogen whose etiology, pathology, distribution, and dispersal
have not been well studied and are not well understood. WNS is believed to
disrupt the feeding and hibernation cycles of affected individuals, leading to
death in almost all cases. WNS poses no threat to human beings. At the present
time, WNS is not known to have spread to Texas; however, since its discovery in
the northeastern United States in 2006, it has spread southward and westward
and now has been detected or is suspected to exist in 14 states and two
Canadian provinces, including the states
of Missouri and Oklahoma. Although the mechanics of WNS transmission are not
definitively known, mammalogists have recommended the closure of hibernacula
(areas where bats hibernate) to human contact in order to minimize the
potential spread of WNS. WNS has been detected in nine species of bats thus far
(little brown bat, eastern small-footed bat, northern long-eared bat,
tri-colored bat, big brown bat, Indiana bat, gray bat, cave myotis, and
southeastern myotis). Because several of the species of bats known to be
susceptible to WNS are found in Texas, the department believes it is prudent to
identify and close to public access those areas under the control of the
department where physical contact between humans and bats or bat habitat may
occur. It is therefore ordered that department staff is authorized to restrict
public access, as necessary, to any feature or area under department control in
order to prevent the spread of WNS. Department staff is
also authorized to allow controlled access to caves and other areas under
conditions prescribed by the department, including escorted visitation,
limitations on activities and conduct, and decontamination protocols. The
department will prominently post those areas that are closed to public access,
and will publish a list of the closed areas on the department website. This
order is issued pursuant to §81.401 of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Code, and
31 Tex. Admin. Code §59.132(a), §59.134(e), §65.192(f), §65.204(d). This order
is effective immediately. Signed this the 29th day of July, 2010.
Carter SmithExecutive DirectorTexas Parks and Wildlife Department
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department
of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816,
U.S.A. Email: [email protected] 214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I AM concerned about cave closures in Texas. I cave at CBSP and am wondering if
we will still be able to go into caves that have less than 1000 bats. (I know -
they aren't closed YET.) I'm still looking forward to going in October - that
is, if we will be still having the project weekend a week before TCR.
What I'm NOT concerned with is the number of posts about the TCR location. I
read about the first five posts or so. I knew the complaints would cause some
controversy, but you can't please everyone. Oh - and it's not that strenuous to
press your delete button twenty times or so in 24 hours! Sheesh!!
Scott - who doesn't mind pressing the delete button, AND actually enjoys
David's trip reports. (Well , most of the time...)
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Butch Fralia <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Butch Fralia <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD Executive Order re: WNS and cave access
To: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 4:20 PM
This is being forwarded to the
list from Logan McNatt who cannot post from his work e-mail address….
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I never had a close place to go from Wichita Falls, for a cave or TCR ... back
then it was OTR lol.
Hope you all have a good time!
Quinta
You people along the central I-35 corridor are spoiled, spoiled, spoiled!
You think little of driving 500 miles (or more!) to Mexico but you complain if
you must travel more than 50 miles to a Texas caver function. Those of us
living in the "sweet spot" between prime caving areas in Texas and New Mexico
(and the Metro cavers who have long rides almost every time) are used to a 200
mile drive for a convention, project, BOG, TCR, or just a good party. It's the
price we pay for the other benefits we receive by living in "west" Texas.
I'm with Bill. Those of us on the "fringes" certainly don't expect the
functions to be held in a place convenient to us each time, but every once in a
great while it sure is nice to have a shorter trip. In recent memory, Ft,
McKavett was a real treat.
If Locklear can make it to Vermont, how can you miss anything in Texas?
Which location is most central to nearly all the Texas caver groups? Take a
look at this:
http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/100-250_miles_from_Burnet.jpg
===Carl Kunath
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bentley
To: Fritz Holt ; Texascavers Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
But it is okay for us poor saps that live out in the western half here to
have to have the time and expense to get there? Sounds a little m,essed up to
me... But...
With Texas being a big state presents its problems with logistics, I
understand that and usually it is some place in the middle but every once in a
great while it would be nice to a bit closer for us.... Not many of us go and
maybe that is why? I don't know... Not many caves close by either so we have to
travel...
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Fritz Holt
To: 'Bill Bentley' ; Texascavers Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
Nothing against the western reaches except the time and expense to get
there for us unfortunates in Houston, Dallas and points east.
Fritz
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bill Bentley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:36 PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
What have you all got against the West? What is this not too far West
requirement? Texas is a big state from El Paso to Texarkana...
:)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Creaser
To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Sheryl Rieck
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
That's as maybe, but it seems to violate the "not too far west"
requirement.
From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:38 PM
To: [email protected]; Sheryl Rieck
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
Hey,
That's next door to my buddy's place. There are a few holes in
the hills too.
AGG
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 3:02 PM
Here you go!
http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?detail=&inv_id=134562
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Sheryl Rieck; Gill Edigar; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
And where is it? Do you have a link?
-----Original Message-----
From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
I found such a place. It is 339 acres for a cool
mil. Anybody?
Sheryl
-----Original Message-----
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any
attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the
intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not
disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store
or copy the
information in any medium. Thank you.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail:
[email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail:
[email protected]
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail:
[email protected]
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient,
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any
medium. Thank you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3045 - Release Date: 08/02/10
01:35:00
--- End Message ---
