Sounds like just a lack of communication problem. The tank haul was my first trip to Longhorn (was too busy during ICS to go), and everything seemed to go ok, except for GP getting a bit turned around while trying to find the back entrance.
No worries Lyndon, I just hate to see things go bad with landowners/management and from my perspective as another person on the tank crew, things seemed to go well. Charles On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:46 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Here’s what Ellie reported back then, Charles. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 11:48 AM > *To:* Alman, Mark @ IRP; Lyndon Tiu; George-Paul Richmann > *Subject:* Re: August 22nd Longhorn Results > > > > I went to turn the waivers to the park in the morning and talked to Steve, > the manager and told them I was with Mark Almans group and wanted to get the > key. He seemed to have no clue we were coming and was very jumpy. He was > asking me if we knew what we were doing, how does he know were not going to > get lost and does he need to send guides with us to make sure we make it > out, etc. He told me he had no clue who I was and why should he let me in > the cave. I respectfully explained to him that I have been to the cave, that > I know the way, that everyone is experience and fully geared, and that I was > the leader. He seemed to calm down when he realized I knew what was going > on. > > They still will not let us leave the key in the cave. Steve was very > atimate about that seemed like he was not aware of any conversation or > agreement we had to keep the key in the cave. > > None of us(GP, Edwin, or me) could remember exactly where to park. Once I > got out of the trough trip, I went to where the cars should have been > parked(easier to recognize from the entrance) and asked where the cars were, > Roger said they were parked infront of a gate. I walked w/ Roger to get at > least one vehicle closer. > > In the meantime the property owner tried to get a trailier out his gate and > could not so called the cops and the sheriff went to the park owners. The > park owners went and found Bonnie, I was not there because I had gone back > in the cave. Bonnie said they gave us a nice chewing and gave her alot of > attitude. Also, I guess she talked to a woman named michelle, some sort of > manager, who had no clue we were coming and did not know why we were there > or what the signifigance of a dive was. She was also asking why you were not > there. She said that the lady kindof backed off when Bonnie mentioned doing > survey. I went and talked to the lady later and cleared things up and > appologized for the confusion, said we would make sure to park in the > correct spot. > > I told them Peter was still working on the map and explained that we just > finished the survey right before ICS. They said they are waiting for the map > and really want it. > > So, thats that. I am glad to have had the experience of it. > > Ellie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 9:43 AM > *To:* Lyndon Tiu > > *Cc:* Geary Schindel; Alman, Mark @ EOS > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Poster > > > > Lyndon, I don't know if you were there that trip, but we weren't blocking a > private "driveway". There are a total of 3 (maybe more) gates into that > property (its a pasture), and yes, we were in front of one of them, and > certainly not all 3. I think the owner was just being an ass, I'm not sure, > I wasn't present when the Sheriff showed, I was still in the cave. My truck > was one of 3 or 4 that was there, and nothing was said to me directly about > my truck being in the wrong place. > > > > I hadn't heard about the latter incident, no one mentioned it at dinner > that night. > > > > Mark, this wasn't posted to cavetex, so we should be good :) > > > > Charles > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Funny, you didn't notice some people parked in front of the wrong gate and > blocked access to a private driveway, and the local sheriff was called? > > Also, didn't you notice someone left their bags on the wrong end of the > cave since they did not understand what was meant by a through-trip (i.e. > one-way) and had to call the concession manager to open the gate for them > after office hours so they can get their bags? > > There was one more thing that happened that day I don't remember, anyways, > a string of booboos that really got the nerves of the park operators, that > they decided if we come back next time, there would be a $$$ charge per > head, instead of free. > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Care to elaborate? I wasn't aware of any issues the last time we were > there for the tank haul. > > > > Charles > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Definitely Longhorn. I recognize the map like the back of my hand, been > through there a few times for the ICS. > > Of course, we lost access to that excellent cave due to the careless > actions of some brain-dead cavers. > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Geary, I don't know the answer to your question, but the movie and poster > are about Texas Cavers, not Texas Caves, it could very well be one from out > of state or out of country :) > > > > Charles > > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > > > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > >
