texascavers Digest 1 Aug 2010 23:45:04 -0000 Issue 1118
Topics (messages 15617 through 15627):
Re: 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
15617 by: Frank Binney
15618 by: germanyj.aol.com
15619 by: Joe Ranzau
15620 by: germanyj.aol.com
15621 by: Joe Ranzau
15622 by: Kerry Lowery
15623 by: Allan Cobb
15625 by: Sheryl Rieck
15626 by: Jennifer Arburn
15627 by: Mallory Mayeux
Getting wet at the 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion
15624 by: Frank Binney
Administrivia:
To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
To post to the list, e-mail:
<[email protected]>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- Begin Message ---
> This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
> (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and who
seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through the
park.
At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
miserable TCR site.
Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
> This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
> (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Sounds to me like Frank and Julia are volunteering to put the next TCR
together!!!
Joe
On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>
>
> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>
>
> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>
>
> I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and who
> seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through the
> park.
>
> At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
> miserable TCR site.
>
> Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
> To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>
> > This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
>
>
> > (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
>
>
> Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
>
>
> verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
>
>
> I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
>
>
> TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
>
>
> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>
>
> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>
>
> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>
>
> Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
>
>
> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Sorry to be so negative, but the location Web site didn't win me over like
Paradise Canyon's. I did tour the Hidden Fall's Web site and had to agree the
Frank's initial assessment - beyond the name, they do nothing to promote its
natural beauty/appeal.
Perhaps in future posts this year's TCR organizers can do more to sell to the
event site's benefits beyond off-road adventure.
Julia
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Ranzau <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
Sounds to me like Frank and Julia are volunteering to put the next TCR
together!!!
Joe
On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and who
seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through the
park.
At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
miserable TCR site.
Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
> This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
> (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Still sounds like you're volunteering to me :-)
Joe
On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Sorry to be so negative, but the location Web site didn't win me over like
> Paradise Canyon's. I did tour the Hidden Fall's Web site and had to agree
> the Frank's initial assessment - beyond the name, they do nothing to promote
> its natural beauty/appeal.
>
> Perhaps in future posts this year's TCR organizers can do more to sell to the
> event site's benefits beyond off-road adventure.
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Ranzau <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 5:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>
> Sounds to me like Frank and Julia are volunteering to put the next TCR
> together!!!
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and
>> who seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through
>> the park.
>>
>> At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
>> miserable TCR site.
>>
>> Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
>> To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>>
>> > This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Keep up the good work Allan. I cant plan that far in advance, but if I can
be there it will be with 4wd and dirt bikes and maybe a travel trailer. My
only question is do we have the park to ourselves.
Thanks,
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Cobb [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 3:03 PM
To: A Texas Caving Remailer for Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
Howdy y'all,
Here is the first announcement for the 33rd Annual Texas Cavers Reunion.
This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
(www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17. The
ranch is conveniently located just 5 miles east of Marble Falls on FM1431.
There will be lots of shady camping. You can bring your 4WD, ATV, dirt
bike, or mountain bike and enjoy the off-road trails throughout the
property. It is likely that we will once again offer the Slow Race so brush
up on your off-road driving skills. More info may be found at
www.oztotl.com. We will have the usual fun stuff.
Hope to see you there!
Allan
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
We do not have the park to ourselves. However, the use is rather light at
the park and with 3100 acres, it is not likely to be a real problem. Most
people who go out there are day use only. I have thought about all these
questions that have come up and mulled it over before even visiting the
site. After visiting the site, I am certain that it will all work out well.
Paradise Canyon was a great place but it too had its problems. I had many
complaints from people about that site, too. After the accident last year,
I had a number of people ask me to move TCR somewhere else. So I did.
Finding a location is no easy task. This site fits almost all of the
criteria that I look for when choosing a site. The reality of it is that
you cannot please everyone. Yes, it would be much better if it had a river
running through it but if it did, I probably could not have gotten it as a
TCR site. One of the most important criteria for me is that it works out
with a few hassles as possible for me. This site fits that.
(Frank, you must have forgotten what the Texas Hill Country actually looks
like.)
So, come out to TCR and have fun or stay away and miss it. I much prefer
that people at least give me the benefit of the doubt that this will work as
a TCR site. This will be a good TCR but the final choice is yours about
whether you attend or not. I would much prefer that people contact me
directly if they have complaints rather than posting them in a public forum.
Everyone is welcome at TCR even if you complain.
Allan
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I just find this exceedingly rude and disrespectful to a person who works
very hard to put TCR together. I took the time before shooting off my mouth
to look the entire site over and see what was there that I could enjoy
instead of immediately bitching because I don't ride a dirt bike or enjoy
off-road activities. Besides, I attend TCR for the camaraderie of seeing
friends and acquaintances I don't get to see as often as I would like. Enjoy
your birthday.
Sheryl
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and
who seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through
the park.
At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
miserable TCR site.
Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
> This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
> (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Jalepeno, Sister Sheryl!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just find this exceedingly rude and disrespectful to a person who works
> very hard to put TCR together. I took the time before shooting off my mouth
> to look the entire site over and see what was there that I could enjoy
> instead of immediately bitching because I don’t ride a dirt bike or enjoy
> off-road activities. Besides, I attend TCR for the camaraderie of seeing
> friends and acquaintances I don’t get to see as often as I would like. Enjoy
> your birthday.
>
>
>
> Sheryl
>
>
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>
>
>
>
>
> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>
>
>
>
> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>
>
>
>
> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>
>
>
>
> I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and who
> seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through the
> park.
>
> At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
> miserable TCR site.
>
> Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
> To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>
> > This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
>
>
>
>
> > (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
>
>
>
>
> Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
>
>
>
>
> verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
>
>
>
>
> I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
>
>
>
>
> TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
>
>
>
>
> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>
>
>
>
> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>
>
>
>
> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>
>
>
>
> Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Off-road vehicles or not, I'm excited to spend my birthday @ my first ever TCR!
I had a boyfriend in the hospital last year that weekend and had to miss it.
think it's going to be a blast no matter where it's held. It gives everyone (us
Houston cats especially!) a chance to catch up with caving buddies we don't
often get to see! I can't wait, and I'm so thankful for everyone who works had
to put this party on. The only thing that would make it more perfect is a
birthday cake cooked by the caving cooks! (wink wink, nudge nudge @ stefan &
crew) See y'all there!
-Mallory
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Arburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jalepeno, Sister Sheryl!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I just find this exceedingly rude and disrespectful to a person who works
>> very hard to put TCR together. I took the time before shooting off my mouth
>> to look the entire site over and see what was there that I could enjoy
>> instead of immediately bitching because I don’t ride a dirt bike or enjoy
>> off-road activities. Besides, I attend TCR for the camaraderie of seeing
>> friends and acquaintances I don’t get to see as often as I would like. Enjoy
>> your birthday.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sheryl
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:02 PM
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and
>> who seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through
>> the park.
>>
>> At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this
>> miserable TCR site.
>>
>> Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
>> To: Allan Cobb <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
>>
>> > This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ORV-focused "tour of the park" video and photo album.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Whoops! My apologies to Alan.
I didn¹t mean to criticize the TCR location itself or Alan¹s hard work in
arranging it. I¹m planning to attend and am confident it will be a great
weekend. There are ample places to get wet within the 3100 acre site, varied
topography for lots of activities and lots of shady, inviting campsites.
My negative observation was directed at the website of Hidden Fall Adventure
Park. Their normal audience is obviously the serious off-road vehicle set
and this is what their ³guide to the park² video and photo album focus on.
If you search past all that, however, you¹ll see there¹s a lot of the
karstlands hill country scenery and small water features so many of us
enjoy.
See you in Octoberand thanks Alan and others who are putting this on,
Frank
--- End Message ---
