All,
I suggest that we (meaning the PBSS) set up a meeting with the NPS and have a agreement (Memorandum of Understanding) as to who does what and who gets credit for the work. This way the CRF won't be getting credit for the hours and hard work thet the PBSS is essentially doing on it's on...It might also point out what obligations the NPS has to have access, what specific tools, trucks drivers, and so on... and what we have as to exact number of volunters...and so on...
Just a thought.

Thanks,
Bill

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Lowery" <klowe...@suddenlink.net>
To: "'J. LaRue Thomas'" <jlrbi...@sonoratx.net>; <p...@caver.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PBSS] July meeting notes


Thanks for keeping us up to date Jacqui.

I promise I will pay my dues soon. But I'm gonna wait till after my cruise
next week, I may need those pesos.

The Comanche springs trip for me would be much better planned on the 18th,
that's my weekend off, but do what whats good for the group there.

And as far as the rock haul goes  --  Although the lack of recognition
toward the PBSS is unappreciated, especially as much as we have done toward
this project,  that is not why I have done it all these years.  I attended
these trips for the sheer enjoyment of caving and sharing with the public
what we do, why we do it and being able to see a hard days work being driven away. The appreciation that has been received from the public is much more satisfying to me than from some government entity who just wants to log our
hours for volunteer credit.  Maybe we could submit our own trip report to
Canyons and Caves newletter.
I would like to keep this project going even if I won't be able to make all hauls (damned work). If help is needed in setting one up, let me know and I
will be glad to help.

Last of all.  Yes I would be interested in a non-caving trip to Big Bend.
But after next week I will be limited on vacation.

Keep up the good work
Kerry






-----Original Message-----
From: pbss-boun...@caver.net [mailto:pbss-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of J.
LaRue Thomas
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:00 PM
To: p...@caver.net
Subject: [PBSS] July meeting notes

The July 13th meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society opened at
1901, an unofficial opening to be sure (no gavel. Again) but an opening
nonetheless.



Attending: Tony, Bill, Walter, new (also former) member Allen Laman, and
Jacqui.



Treasurer's report: Bill Bentley reported that we again have $738.40. The
health and stability of the treasury moved us right along to new business as

Bill made a motion that we lower our dues to $10.00. Bill's motion was
seconded by Walter and discussion included the information that we used to
need $15.00 from each member because we were mailing out the Hole News and
we don't do that anymore.



Other facts that came out in discussion: PBSS currently has 15 members. Bill

has sent emails to all cavers whose memberships have expired, asking if they

would like to re-up. We do have some student members who may have budgeting
issues (they are students, after all) so we didn't discuss for long before
we decided to create a student rate of $5.00 (full-time students only) and
also reduce the associate rate to $5.00.



The new rate of $10.00 with associate memberships at $5.00 and full-time
students also at $5.00 passed unanimously. The change is effective
immediately.



Bill is working on a trip to Comanche Springs in Ft. Stockton but it needs
to be a survey trip. Bill is looking into finding a sketcher-mapper person
who may wish to join us for this trip. Potential dates September 11th or
25th. Lori Hales has a contact for a cave near Balmorhea and she hopes to
have us set up for a trip in the fall or winter. A couple of PBSSers have
been to this cave a long, long time ago.



Walter reported from the Fort Stanton project and passed along a personal
invitation from Steve Peerman to Bill Bentley to involve himself in the Fort

Stanton Project. (We were assured that all of us are welcome, even without
the personal invitation).



We decided to poll the membership regarding whether or not we want to do
another Carlsbad rock haul.



We did not set another Five Mouth dig date but will plan another dig when it

cools off a bit.



Bill asked if anyone was interested in a not-caving trip to Big Bend as his
permit is good through December 2010. We all said yes, we are.



We briefly discussed NSS's request that Internal Organizations consider the
direction they want to see taken by the NSS and submit appropriate motions
to the Board of Governors. No motions came to anybody's mind.



We received contact information for a company that makes patches and will
make as few as 50. Jacqui will look into how much it would cost for us to
have some new PBSS patches made.



The meeting closed at 2001 hours.



Jacqui Thomas


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